plenty of people think fried chicken is healthy https://www.google.com/search?q=%E3%83%98%E3%83%AB%E3%82%B7%...
The search term, unfortunately in japanese, is "healthy fried chicken"
So it finds entries of people who claim to present a healthy fried chicken recipe.
Now to claim "plenty of people think fried chicken is healthy", wouldn't we need to search for plain "healthy chicken" instrad and then find surprisingly many fried chicken items?
I think you do, otherwise this opens the door to anyone and everyone being a "racist" by some secondary, tertiary, or nth order effect. Essentially everyone would have some degree associated with them of how racist they are. I propose the following question: are people who eat at Chik-fil-A anti-LGBT (specifically gay) rights because they financially support a business through continued purchases that support anti-LG…
> > You don’t have to knowingly possess a racist motive to be racist. > I think you do, otherwise this opens the door to anyone and everyone being a "racist" by some secondary, tertiary, or nth order effect. Surely there's something in-between. Say, perhaps, black people make you uncomfortable, such that you're inclined against hiring them and you preferentially hire whites instead. Then, you wouldn't knowingly posse…
> Everyone has, from their own point of view, good motives and intentions.
And you will almost always make more progress by addressing those sincere motives than you will by labeling them racist.
You might be onto something with the name theory. In JP it’s commonly called “flavor salt”, and there is no sign of anti-MSG anywhere
> In JP it’s commonly called “flavor salt” In China, 味精, "essence of flavor".
I think that’s because the original brand of MSG anywhere is Ajinomoto 味の素 which means essence of flavor. 味塩 is the same thing but comes mixed with salt.
It's like crying wolf, except: there is indeed a wolf and you just don't care about the sheep.
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It's like crying wolf, except: there is indeed a wolf and you just don't care about the sheep.
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My "you" followed grammatically from your own use of the word.
> The UK, for example, isn’t just 90% white. It’s 80% white British. Is that still the case? My then-13 year old daughter visited London two years ago, when she returned I asked her if the British are as polite as they are rumored to be. Her answer was that there are no British in London, it's a city of all immigrants and tourists.
Well, its 'total' 60% white (20% more white than NYC), which is pretty white, nor is that whiteness distributed evenly. I was just in Chelsea, which is pretty pricey, and it was near exclusively white outside of people who worked in the service industry. Depending where in London she went and what she did, she ran into different groups of people, much like if you went to Chicago and stayed exclusively on either its s…
Thank you for that wonderful insight. As you mention, in London she was in tourist mode, doing things and being places where tourists are. That is a good lesson to point out, selection, when examining any survey.
There are also many non-celiacs who would swear that they cannot eat glutten. That does not discredit the actual existence of celiacs. When I was younger, I would sometimes discover that certain foods contain MSG by identifying what I had eaten before the onset of symptoms. Now I've learned to check everything beforehand. And the one time that the mother-in-law used her neighbour's soup mix instead of the soup mix th…
But coeliacs disease is a real thing, whereas there is no evidence that MSG sensitivity is, so they are not comparable.
Of course there is evidence, that is why we are having this discussion. In addition to the evidence that there exists a very small minority of people who are sensitive to MSG, there exists a large industry that is dependent upon the availability of an inexpensive, effective flavour enhancer. That industry has an interest in discrediting the ill effects of MSG, just as the petrochemical industry had an interest in discrediting the effects of CO2 in the atmosphere and the tobacco industry had an interest in discrediting the effects of smoking.
Correct, because he is portraying one side of a story. I could point you to studies that show no connection between smoking and lung cancer. That doesn't mean that other studies, with different conclusions, do not exist.
Right, but that's not my point. You seem to suggest that his argument is that MSG allergy doesn't exist because some people's belief in it is racist ("does COVID-19 not exist, because somebody called it Chinese Flu?"). That's not his argument. He argues that it doesn't exist based on the fact that people who claim to be allergic don't suffer ill effects from other MSG-containing products. The comment about racism is…
> He argues that it doesn't exist based on the fact
> that people who claim to be allergic don't suffer
> ill effects from other MSG-containing products.
Some people who claim to be allergic don't suffer ill effects, and some do. This effect is very well known for other fad allergies, such as gluten intolerance. The existence of "gluten intolerant" people who eat cookies does not preclude the existence of celiacs.
I'm not familiar with those studies, but here are just a few ideas (made up now, on the spot). 1. MSG in a capsule is not how MSG in food is delivered. So perhaps the delivery mechanism has something to do with it. Perhaps the capsule allows the MSG to pass the tongue, or esophagous, or stomach, with far less reactivity than free MSG does. Maybe the interaction of MSG with other chemicals is necessary for the effects…
Or, instead of buying into a pharmacokinetic hypothesis someone on a message board just made up to avoid losing an argument, it could be the case that all the studies are simply right, suggesting as they do that the body doesn't discriminate between forms of glutamate, nor is there significant uptake in the bloodstream from glutamates ingested orally, nor does MSG sensitivity square with the very large amounts we get…
> it could be the case that all the studies are simply right
Let's take that argument at face value. The fine article mentions that the first studies all showed a link between MSG intake and ill effects. Only after the food industry started taking an interest did other studies show otherwise.