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The Strange Case of Dr. Ho Man Kwok (2019)

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Re: The Strange Case of Dr. Ho Man Kwok (2019)

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Post by brayhite »

asphaltycode wrote: post #29
louisvgchi wrote: post #10

Dave Chang has a small scene in one of his Ugly Delicious (great show, by the way) episodes where he gets a group of non-Asian Americans, who claim to be MSG-allergic, to come and share their stories of MSG-related symptoms after eating at Chinese restaurants. He then hands out Doritos and American products that the participants claim they love and can eat all day. Hard to see where this is going... he says, all thes…

If the only food they know to contain MSG is Chinese food then it’s a stretch to call that racism.

I think you’re assuming the Dave guy accused those folks of being racist. That’s not the same as suggesting historic racism demonizing MSG is what led to them internalizing some feeling of “MSG allergy”, which is what Dave IS suggesting.

Re: The Strange Case of Dr. Ho Man Kwok (2019)

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Post by thereare5lights »

jnordonez wrote: post #49
mancerayder wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The racism addition into everyday online discourse is what 'flavors' an article or topic, kind of like MSG flavors Doritos or stir-fry. Is it racism, is it not, it leads to a heated fight-or-flight type of feeling, or an indignation, or a strong nod and interest. Similar to the way salaciousness gets our attention in an ad or gossip story.

I'll have my online discourse with an extra dash of racism accusations please, hold the logic.

explain why it's called "Chinese Restaurant Syndrome"

Re: The Strange Case of Dr. Ho Man Kwok (2019)

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Post by xyzelement »

thereare5lights wrote: post #43
fraudsyndrome wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are they for different reasons? What is the reason Koreans think it's bad for health? As I haven't read about that. Given that in the west it was also dubbed "Chinese Restaurant Syndrome" I would think some form of prejudice played a part.

> Chinese Restaurant Syndrome you'd think the name would give it away, but people are so quick to dismiss racism that this blaring red flag is just glossed over

Umm "red flag"? If you are going to chastise people please make sure your language does not rely on racist cliches...

Re: The Strange Case of Dr. Ho Man Kwok (2019)

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Post by rayiner »

drzaiusapelord wrote: post #36
louisvgchi wrote: post #10

Dave Chang has a small scene in one of his Ugly Delicious (great show, by the way) episodes where he gets a group of non-Asian Americans, who claim to be MSG-allergic, to come and share their stories of MSG-related symptoms after eating at Chinese restaurants. He then hands out Doritos and American products that the participants claim they love and can eat all day. Hard to see where this is going... he says, all thes…

Yep! I remember being taught it was something "shifty" Chinese people do to their food to make it taste better as a sort of dishonest competitive trick, at the cost of the health of their customers. I was told so many ethnic groups were "shifty" like this compared to the "moral" white majority. I think growing up in the USA means being exposed to a lot of different kinds of racisms and "otherings." Its incredible how…

It’s not a “USA” thing. Different groups of people are skeptical of other groups of people, all over the world. The US is just unusual in having enormous amounts of people from different groups interacting with each other.

The UK, for example, isn’t just 90% white. It’s 80% white British. Same thing for Germany and France. They’re borderline ethnostates. The US isn’t more than 15% of any ethnic group (with German Americans being the largest group).

Re: The Strange Case of Dr. Ho Man Kwok (2019)

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Post by mc32 »

yongjik wrote: post #26
louisvgchi wrote: post #10

Dave Chang has a small scene in one of his Ugly Delicious (great show, by the way) episodes where he gets a group of non-Asian Americans, who claim to be MSG-allergic, to come and share their stories of MSG-related symptoms after eating at Chinese restaurants. He then hands out Doritos and American products that the participants claim they love and can eat all day. Hard to see where this is going... he says, all thes…

I wish people stopped invoking racism everywhere, when plain "being misinformed" explains things just fine. Millions of Koreans swear up and down that MSG is bad for health. Are we also being racist? (Against whom?)

My parents used to have an msg shaker. I don’t even recall what they used it for.

The first time I heard something about avoiding MSG foods was from upper middle class fresh transplants from HK. Others of less means never mentioned it. So it’s news to me that someone would apply a blanket accusation as to where the myth comes from.

Re: The Strange Case of Dr. Ho Man Kwok (2019)

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Post by thedrexster »

thereare5lights wrote: post #47
sb057 wrote: post #42

The thing is, I have personal experience with CRS (specifically headaches), and have since I was a small child when I had never even heard of it or MSG. Obviously it isn't MSG (I use it as a seasoning more than salt and pepper), but am thoroughly convinced that there is something to it.

what is CRS, please use the full name

"Chinese Restaurant Syndrome"

Re: The Strange Case of Dr. Ho Man Kwok (2019)

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Post by dotancohen »

louisvgchi wrote: post #10

Dave Chang has a small scene in one of his Ugly Delicious (great show, by the way) episodes where he gets a group of non-Asian Americans, who claim to be MSG-allergic, to come and share their stories of MSG-related symptoms after eating at Chinese restaurants. He then hands out Doritos and American products that the participants claim they love and can eat all day. Hard to see where this is going... he says, all thes…

There are also many non-celiacs who would swear that they cannot eat glutten. That does not discredit the actual existence of celiacs.

When I was younger, I would sometimes discover that certain foods contain MSG by identifying what I had eaten before the onset of symptoms. Now I've learned to check everything beforehand. And the one time that the mother-in-law used her neighbour's soup mix instead of the soup mix that I bought her, I was able to know by the symptoms. Now my teenagers avoid MSG, but not because they are sensitive. The older of them is a vegetarian, but not because she lacks incisors or canines.

Re: The Strange Case of Dr. Ho Man Kwok (2019)

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Post by thereare5lights »

xyzelement wrote: post #54
thereare5lights wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Chinese Restaurant Syndrome you'd think the name would give it away, but people are so quick to dismiss racism that this blaring red flag is just glossed over

Umm "red flag"? If you are going to chastise people please make sure your language does not rely on racist cliches...

"your langauge"

My language? That's the f@#$ing name society attached to it.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-51139005

So you calling it a racist cliche means that you're agreeing with me that the origins of this hoax IS racism.

Re: The Strange Case of Dr. Ho Man Kwok (2019)

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Post by fraudsyndrome »

runawaybottle wrote: post #28
yongjik wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wish people stopped invoking racism everywhere, when plain "being misinformed" explains things just fine. Millions of Koreans swear up and down that MSG is bad for health. Are we also being racist? (Against whom?)

Bro, Asian on Asian racism is like way higher than western racism towards that region. I’m almost positive Koreans think they are better than Chinese, and the Chinese think they are better than Koreans, and they both low key hate Japan’s uppityness (Of course the Japanese consider them ‘less than’, we can certainly throw in some historical advantage taking to add flame to this). This is like a age old tale in almost…

What kind of (racist) actions are taken in the east due to this prejudice they have? And how does that compare (or how is it way higher) to how western racism is towards those minorities in the western countries? Thinking they are better doesn't really compare.
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