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Windows 10 20H2: ChkDsk damages filesystem on SSDs with KB4592438 installed

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Re: Windows 10 20H2: ChkDsk damages filesystem on SSDs with KB4592438 installed

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Post by physicles »

refracture wrote: post #83

It's sad to say but I've had more hassle with Windows 10 than any previous (NT based anyway) release. 2000, XP, Vista, and 7 all served me well. 10 has done everything from deleted my files (thanks, October 2018 Update) to DESTROYING my Linux boot loader that was placed on a separate hard drive.. it has no business touching that! I always looked at Linux as not being worth the hassle.. now it's not worth the hassle t…

I had the same thing happen to me with Windows destroying my Linux boot loader. After that, I gave up dual booting and have been on Linux 100% ever since. I don’t see myself ever going back.

Re: Windows 10 20H2: ChkDsk damages filesystem on SSDs with KB4592438 installed

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Post by GrayShade »

fortran77 wrote: post #245
game_the0ry wrote: post #9

This article immediately reminded me of a video I saw a while ago.[1] The long and short - MS basically laid off the staff that tested Windows, and much of it is automated nowadays (I bet the MBA educated executive at MS who was responsible for that got PHAT bonus, at the expense of Windows customers and laid off testing staff, of course). Seems like it happened in 2015, which is why it seems that windows updates hav…

There’s a chance this bug is caused by a faulty wear-leveling algorithm specific models of SSD. I tried to repro and couldn’t.

The article mentions it happened with different SSD makes and manufacturers.

Re: Windows 10 20H2: ChkDsk damages filesystem on SSDs with KB4592438 installed

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Post by whywhywhywhy »

game_the0ry wrote: post #31
whywhywhywhy wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Oh well, I guess I will be using Macbooks for the rest of my life https://www.macrumors.com/2020/11/15/macos-big-sur-update-br... Dropping quality is happening everywhere.

Yes, agreed. But at this point you want to buy the products that has decreased the least in terms of quality. In my experience, that usually means apple.

I'd say the exact opposite, my 2014 MacBook Pro I use at home still functions fine, the battery is failing due to age but that is expected for 6 years of heavy daily use.

My 2018 work USB-C MacBook Pro has several keys failing and several others with mushy tactility, has a failing battery which you have to wait to reboot from because the charger is so low voltage, has a bluetooth chip that hard crashes and requires a reboot to kick it back to life, often kernel panics while asleep.

The 2014 arguably had harder use too because I used to use it for 3D rendering while all the 2018 has done is 2D design and Javascript.

Not even gonna bring up 2002 Titanium Powerbook that I used daily until I bought that 2014 which fared best of all and didn't even have a fraying power cable like the modern Apple chargers where they switched to "eco friendly" rubber that failed dangerously requiring more chargers to be purchased negating any eco saving.

Re: Windows 10 20H2: ChkDsk damages filesystem on SSDs with KB4592438 installed

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Post by salawat »

ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #149
fakedang wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This. MacOS fans will sing praises of Apple, while discounting that Apple messes up even though they have very few hardware types to service compared to Windows. And they still screw it up big time - I haven't moved to BigSur for this reason. That being said, Windows 10 cannot be in the business of "ship and keep calm", due to the number of businesses and governments relying on Windows.

This. I also find it hard to believe how Apple can screw up bigtime with buggy OS releases considering they make and own the full hardware-software stack which has way less variety than what Linux and Windows have to deal with. Mac fans have defended Apple saying that "QA is expansive and they can't afford it" , as if Apple is some low budget indie app developer in an incubator and not this trillion dollar goliath wi…

Well... They aren't wrong on QA being expensive. The real problem though is you can't measure the savings of a prevented problem. Drives most of us that do it for a living nuts, because all the MBA types love metrics, but don't generally have the imagination to take the numbers and go 'Now imagine all those people got bitten by X.' They won't, but if they did, think of the tarnish.

Being a QA is the most thankless way of making the world better imaginable.

Re: Windows 10 20H2: ChkDsk damages filesystem on SSDs with KB4592438 installed

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Post by salawat »

eecc wrote: post #96
game_the0ry wrote: post #9

This article immediately reminded me of a video I saw a while ago.[1] The long and short - MS basically laid off the staff that tested Windows, and much of it is automated nowadays (I bet the MBA educated executive at MS who was responsible for that got PHAT bonus, at the expense of Windows customers and laid off testing staff, of course). Seems like it happened in 2015, which is why it seems that windows updates hav…

Well, to be honest I much prefer - and trust - fully automated test pipelines to manuality. It affords more frequent and thorough verification of the final artifacts. The problem comes when the automation is only partial because added at a later stage, and the existing software does not lend itself to testing. The risk there is that some short-sighted line manager will go “YOLO, I have a deadline” and skip the tests…

I"m a huge proponent of automate the crap out of your tests, but you also have to break out of the automating mindset to get at the better problems. People are not machines, and automated tests are machines verifying machines.

It's why I like having a few non-automators and program noodlers around.

Re: Windows 10 20H2: ChkDsk damages filesystem on SSDs with KB4592438 installed

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Post by scrps »

foepys wrote: post #46
_trampeltier wrote: post #34

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On work, I never had so much trouble, like with my HP ZBook and Win10. It had already once a complete reset, but still, I have a lot of trouble. Special since the new BIOS update about a month ago, it crashes once or twice a day again. In theorie Win10 looks nice. I tryed to upgrade one of my notebooks at home from Win7 to Win10. Privacy is one thing, but CandyCrush and things like that, was a totaly show stopper for…

HP's drivers are the worst I came across. We got HP Elitebook notebooks at work a few years ago and replaced them with Lenovo and Dell because the HPs kept crashing and slowing down over time. Their "utility" software like HP Sure Click slowed the whole system down and turned into nagware. There were at least 3 HP programs hogging the tray area and made discovery of my actually wanted tray icons hard. On top of that…

I worked IT at a newspaper a few years back and we instituted a strict "never HP" (I believe we had one HP printer that got grandfathered in) policy, so strict in fact that when we were looking to upgrade our fleet of laptops the company president (in his defense he was trying to be helpful) walked into our office area and told my manager he found a great deal on a palette of HP laptops. My manager, myself, and two co-workers all spontanously shouted "No!" in such perfect unison we considered forming an acapella group just by channeling our hatred of HP. The president backed out the door quietly and avoided eye contact with us for the rest of the day.

Re: Windows 10 20H2: ChkDsk damages filesystem on SSDs with KB4592438 installed

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Post by apfsx »

icegreentea2 wrote: post #224
apfsx wrote: post #185

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Any word of when is a new version of LTSC supposed to come? I bought a very new laptop that just launched last year. The windows version out of box was I believe 1909. I haven’t yet tried running LTSC on it yet but worried about drivers or other issues. My CPU in the laptop was released in March 2020 and 1809 was released in 2018. I didn’t think it was too good of an idea because of that, even though prior I always r…

The CPU support list is here: https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/design/min... Next LTSC release should be late next year apparently.

I have Ryzen 9 4900HS.

according to that link, support for Ryzen 9 4xxx began in build 2004. It says even build 1909 doesn’t have support for Ryzen 9 4xxx only Ryzen 3/5/7 3xxx. Confusing because 1909 definitely worked ok since my laptop came with it and ran okay.

Re: Windows 10 20H2: ChkDsk damages filesystem on SSDs with KB4592438 installed

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Post by vanilla_nut »

Pq2Vvv8MtzTCFWS wrote: post #77
gjsman-1000 wrote: post #35

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Oh, heck yes. Can I count the ways? - The Start Menu shows "suggested apps" by default - On first install/boot, the Start Menu is preloaded with about 10 sponsored apps, and many of them install automatically even if you don't click them. - These sponsored apps have a tendency to reinstall themselves _even after you just uninstalled them_ if you haven't rebooted your computer at least once or twice after first boot u…

I haven't had any of these issues, this is what I did when setting up my Win 10. (The watermark still shows up 90% of the time, but with dual monitors I never notice it.) USB installed without a key Windows 10 Pro N, which comes with less bloatware - https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10 when installing do not sign up for an outlook.com account, create a local agent account Go into settings and…

So you did have most of these issues, but jumped through a lot of hoops and maintained a bunch of brittle fixes to address them?

Also, your link to "Windows 10 Pro N" just leads me to the download page for Windows 10 -- I don't see any option for "Pro N". Smells like dark patterns to me.

Re: Windows 10 20H2: ChkDsk damages filesystem on SSDs with KB4592438 installed

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Post by eecc »

salawat wrote: post #255
eecc wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, to be honest I much prefer - and trust - fully automated test pipelines to manuality. It affords more frequent and thorough verification of the final artifacts. The problem comes when the automation is only partial because added at a later stage, and the existing software does not lend itself to testing. The risk there is that some short-sighted line manager will go “YOLO, I have a deadline” and skip the tests…

I"m a huge proponent of automate the crap out of your tests, but you also have to break out of the automating mindset to get at the better problems. People are not machines, and automated tests are machines verifying machines. It's why I like having a few non-automators and program noodlers around.

Well, there’s something to humans - testers in particular, who seem to be wired like hackers rather that programmers - that is superior to any fuzzing or “QuickCheck” approach. It’s the intuition, the art of second-guessing the mental model of the programmer that authored the code under test. That’s why it’s such a shameful tragedy to waste human capacity on scripted tests, the human factor should be authoring the automation.

Re: Windows 10 20H2: ChkDsk damages filesystem on SSDs with KB4592438 installed

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Post by Hammershaft »

2ion wrote: post #199
PragmaticPulp wrote: post #19

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I know we're basically comparing anecdotes, but I've been surprised at how much more I've come to trust my windows workstation than my Mac in the past few years. I can't actually remember the last time my Windows workstation crashed outright (if ever?) but my Mac locks up at least 2-3 times per week. I also have to be extremely careful to avoid high memory pressure under Big Sur now, otherwise Finder spirals into a r…

Not even to mention the willfully broken font rendering on all peripherals that are not "retina enough" since a few versions ago. Using my work macbook with my trusty 16:10 monitors with 1920x1200 resolution in the home office is a literal eye sore since it's impossible to get a clear font image. The company had to send over a retina-enough screen... The worst font rendering Linux ever had is still better what macOS…

I can vouch that MacOS font rendering really became an eyesore on desktop monitors became after I updated to Catalina. It genuinely results in an inability to parse letters when using certain common fonts, and next to Windows and Linux it is by far the worst of the three.
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