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Re: Windows 10 20H2: ChkDsk damages filesystem on SSDs with KB4592438 installed

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Post by game_the0ry »

whywhywhywhy wrote: post #18
game_the0ry wrote: post #9

This article immediately reminded me of a video I saw a while ago.[1] The long and short - MS basically laid off the staff that tested Windows, and much of it is automated nowadays (I bet the MBA educated executive at MS who was responsible for that got PHAT bonus, at the expense of Windows customers and laid off testing staff, of course). Seems like it happened in 2015, which is why it seems that windows updates hav…

>Oh well, I guess I will be using Macbooks for the rest of my life https://www.macrumors.com/2020/11/15/macos-big-sur-update-br... Dropping quality is happening everywhere.

Yes, agreed. But at this point you want to buy the products that has decreased the least in terms of quality. In my experience, that usually means apple.

Re: Windows 10 20H2: ChkDsk damages filesystem on SSDs with KB4592438 installed

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Post by usr1106 »

game_the0ry wrote: post #9

This article immediately reminded me of a video I saw a while ago.[1] The long and short - MS basically laid off the staff that tested Windows, and much of it is automated nowadays (I bet the MBA educated executive at MS who was responsible for that got PHAT bonus, at the expense of Windows customers and laid off testing staff, of course). Seems like it happened in 2015, which is why it seems that windows updates hav…

> Oh well, I guess I will be using Macbooks for the rest of my life.

I on the other hand would never voluntarily set my foot into the walled garden. That might be suitable for some users, but for readers of HN it shouldn't be necessary. I'm happy to run Gnu/Linux even on my phone, even if that might cause occasional inconvenience with the current duopoly in that segment. Freedom is freedom after all.

Well, people seem to make different choices...

Re: Windows 10 20H2: ChkDsk damages filesystem on SSDs with KB4592438 installed

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Post by Dylan16807 »

runjake wrote: post #29
ashleyn wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've been mostly Linux since 2011 and the few times I had to install Win10 for something I've been very displeased. We've fallen quite far in Windows, with ads everywhere, hundreds of services that do God-knows-what, fresh installs that break as soon as the updater runs for the first time. I'm really not impressed and I try to use it as little as possible. Just a bloated, unstable mess designed to sell Microsoft's va…

Are people seeing ads in Windows 10? I often hear this, but I've never seen an ad (except MSFT's own ads getting to to try its new Edge browser.)

In most, but not all installs, the start menu pre-installs game ads, explorer advertises for onedrive, and the lock screen advertises things on top of the pretty pictures.

Re: Windows 10 20H2: ChkDsk damages filesystem on SSDs with KB4592438 installed

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Post by _trampeltier »

PragmaticPulp wrote: post #19
game_the0ry wrote: post #9

This article immediately reminded me of a video I saw a while ago.[1] The long and short - MS basically laid off the staff that tested Windows, and much of it is automated nowadays (I bet the MBA educated executive at MS who was responsible for that got PHAT bonus, at the expense of Windows customers and laid off testing staff, of course). Seems like it happened in 2015, which is why it seems that windows updates hav…

I know we're basically comparing anecdotes, but I've been surprised at how much more I've come to trust my windows workstation than my Mac in the past few years. I can't actually remember the last time my Windows workstation crashed outright (if ever?) but my Mac locks up at least 2-3 times per week. I also have to be extremely careful to avoid high memory pressure under Big Sur now, otherwise Finder spirals into a r…

On work, I never had so much trouble, like with my HP ZBook and Win10. It had already once a complete reset, but still, I have a lot of trouble. Special since the new BIOS update about a month ago, it crashes once or twice a day again.

In theorie Win10 looks nice. I tryed to upgrade one of my notebooks at home from Win7 to Win10. Privacy is one thing, but CandyCrush and things like that, was a totaly show stopper for me. I mean, I even have the Pro licences, but so much bloat .. So since the, I'm Linux only at home. I will never upgrade to Win 10.

Re: Windows 10 20H2: ChkDsk damages filesystem on SSDs with KB4592438 installed

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Post by gjsman-1000 »

runjake wrote: post #29
ashleyn wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've been mostly Linux since 2011 and the few times I had to install Win10 for something I've been very displeased. We've fallen quite far in Windows, with ads everywhere, hundreds of services that do God-knows-what, fresh installs that break as soon as the updater runs for the first time. I'm really not impressed and I try to use it as little as possible. Just a bloated, unstable mess designed to sell Microsoft's va…

Are people seeing ads in Windows 10? I often hear this, but I've never seen an ad (except MSFT's own ads getting to to try its new Edge browser.)

Oh, heck yes. Can I count the ways?

- The Start Menu shows "suggested apps" by default

- On first install/boot, the Start Menu is preloaded with about 10 sponsored apps, and many of them install automatically even if you don't click them.

- These sponsored apps have a tendency to reinstall themselves _even after you just uninstalled them_ if you haven't rebooted your computer at least once or twice after first boot up.

- Microsoft Edge ads appear in the Taskbar at times, Action Center at times, and sometimes when you are changing the default browser to Chrome, and sometimes even after Chrome is default.

- Windows Explorer occasionally advertises OneDrive.

- Most built-in Windows Apps like Weather, News, and Sports contain lots of built-in ads.

- The Mail app comes with an "Upgrade to Office 365" button always visible.

- Cortana occasionally pops up by itself to ask if you want to use it. And there are ads in her search results and "suggested apps" from her for you.

- The default Lock Screen, "Windows Spotlight," occasionally advertises games, Microsoft's latest political agenda, or Bing when your computer is Locked.

- Office 365, on new installs or accounts, has links to _every web app_ on the Start Menu by default.

- When adding a user, Microsoft will hide the ability to create a Local account not linked to a Microsoft account under, like, 3 pages of advertising for why Microsoft accounts are awesome.

- The new Settings app has a new header that is in A-B testing right now, which (among other things) has a big obvious link _in the Settings app_ to Bing/Microsoft Rewards.

- Microsoft Edge has, by default, the entirety of MSN as your New Tab page and your Homepage. Plenty of ads on that, and worse, they serve ads from Taboola and Outbrain. Those types of ads with "You won't believe what celebrity XYZ..." or "Take this 2 minute quiz to learn..." kind of junk. (In fact, all of the built-in Windows apps seem to serve Taboola/Outbrain. You just want to check the Weather!)

- If you are not signed into OneDrive, OneDrive will inform you of this fact _every single time_ you log in with a giant error message.

- If you are not signed into Microsoft Teams, Microsoft Teams will inform you of this fact _every single time_ you log in with an Office 365 Sign-in dialog. It frequently fights with OneDrive to see who can make you sign in first.

- The operating system will sometimes randomly pop up with messages from "Windows Tips." While (theoretically) making the experience nicer for new users, the actual Tips app is pretty barebones and really motivates people to click a button to "Learn More"... using Bing search.

- If you want to use Google as default search engine on Microsoft Edge instead of Bing, that is a.) extremely nested deep in the UI and hard to find, and b.) if you do manage to find it, there's a three-section ad explaining the "benefits of Bing."

And there's still stuff I'm forgetting.

Re: Windows 10 20H2: ChkDsk damages filesystem on SSDs with KB4592438 installed

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Post by runjake »

Dylan16807 wrote: post #33
runjake wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are people seeing ads in Windows 10? I often hear this, but I've never seen an ad (except MSFT's own ads getting to to try its new Edge browser.)

In most, but not all installs, the start menu pre-installs game ads, explorer advertises for onedrive, and the lock screen advertises things on top of the pretty pictures.

Ah ok. I do see almost all of these things, except for the game ads.

Re: Windows 10 20H2: ChkDsk damages filesystem on SSDs with KB4592438 installed

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Post by Macha »

gjsman-1000 wrote: post #35
runjake wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are people seeing ads in Windows 10? I often hear this, but I've never seen an ad (except MSFT's own ads getting to to try its new Edge browser.)

Oh, heck yes. Can I count the ways? - The Start Menu shows "suggested apps" by default - On first install/boot, the Start Menu is preloaded with about 10 sponsored apps, and many of them install automatically even if you don't click them. - These sponsored apps have a tendency to reinstall themselves _even after you just uninstalled them_ if you haven't rebooted your computer at least once or twice after first boot u…

* The Settings app currently advertises "Rewards: Sign In" on two of the three Windows machines I have access to

* After every version update I'm prompted to finish setting up my account by converting my local sign in to a Microsoft account. The wizard itself only gives options to go through with it or be reminded in 3 days. Disabling it is a checkbox in notifications settings page "Suggest ways I can finish setting up the device to get the most out of windows". This to me feels like deliberate disguising of the true purpose of this setting

Re: Windows 10 20H2: ChkDsk damages filesystem on SSDs with KB4592438 installed

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Post by miles »

technofiend wrote: post #24
apfsx wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Enterprise version (LTSC) hasn't had a feature update since November of 2018. Only security updates.

LTSC really is the way to go for a stable windows experience, unfortunately there's no legal way for consumers to get licenses without a much larger investment than what a home or pro license costs. You can meet in the middle and run transcript on pro which disables most of the worst new features.

> LTSC really is the way to go for a stable windows experience, unfortunately there's no legal way for consumers to get licenses without a much larger investment than what a home or pro license costs.

LTSC can be purchased legally by anyone for around $300: https://tinyapps.org/blog/201811300700_windows_10_ltsc.html

Re: Windows 10 20H2: ChkDsk damages filesystem on SSDs with KB4592438 installed

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Post by josephg »

PragmaticPulp wrote: post #19
game_the0ry wrote: post #9

This article immediately reminded me of a video I saw a while ago.[1] The long and short - MS basically laid off the staff that tested Windows, and much of it is automated nowadays (I bet the MBA educated executive at MS who was responsible for that got PHAT bonus, at the expense of Windows customers and laid off testing staff, of course). Seems like it happened in 2015, which is why it seems that windows updates hav…

I know we're basically comparing anecdotes, but I've been surprised at how much more I've come to trust my windows workstation than my Mac in the past few years. I can't actually remember the last time my Windows workstation crashed outright (if ever?) but my Mac locks up at least 2-3 times per week. I also have to be extremely careful to avoid high memory pressure under Big Sur now, otherwise Finder spirals into a r…

No idea if this will help, but I had some instability on my macbook last year after getting my screen replaced. I ran memtest86 on the machine (using a UEFI USB image) and after a few hours it reported memory errors. I took it back to the genius bar and explained the situation. After reproducing the problem using their own internal tool they replaced the motherboard for free of charge and I haven't had any problems since then.

Your RAM might be working fine, but with crashes and lockups I think its always worth checking. Life is too short to put up with faulty hardware.

Re: Windows 10 20H2: ChkDsk damages filesystem on SSDs with KB4592438 installed

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Post by gruez »

kabdib wrote: post #20
causality0 wrote: post #4

I feel like Windows Update didn't used to be such a shitshow. Was I just not paying close enough attention a decade ago?

I help run a service that uses hundreds of Windows boxes, and at any one time two or three of them always seem to have a borked windows update state. Recovery is utter fucking voodoo, and it's usually better to flatten a machine than attempt to repair things. A while back I installed a couple racks of shiny, new, absolutely identical servers (except for MAC addresses) with factory-imaged operating systems, and had tw…

>How do you even do that?

flaky hardware?

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