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Windows 10 20H2: ChkDsk damages filesystem on SSDs with KB4592438 installed

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Re: Windows 10 20H2: ChkDsk damages filesystem on SSDs with KB4592438 installed

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Post by throwii »

AsyncAwait wrote: post #143
PragmaticPulp wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I know we're basically comparing anecdotes, but I've been surprised at how much more I've come to trust my windows workstation than my Mac in the past few years. I can't actually remember the last time my Windows workstation crashed outright (if ever?) but my Mac locks up at least 2-3 times per week. I also have to be extremely careful to avoid high memory pressure under Big Sur now, otherwise Finder spirals into a r…

I've seen the same. In fact my Arch Linux laptop seems way more dependable than my 2016 MBP, so much so I switched my work MBP for an Arch setup too. I'm actually seriously thinking of replacing macOS with Windows on the MBP, which is not something I'd ever consider back in the Snow Leopard days.

Does the displays on Windows look as crispy as on MacOS? That's the fear I have of switching away. I love how crisp to the eye everything is.

Re: Windows 10 20H2: ChkDsk damages filesystem on SSDs with KB4592438 installed

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Post by prox »

noizejoy wrote: post #73
PragmaticPulp wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I know we're basically comparing anecdotes, but I've been surprised at how much more I've come to trust my windows workstation than my Mac in the past few years. I can't actually remember the last time my Windows workstation crashed outright (if ever?) but my Mac locks up at least 2-3 times per week. I also have to be extremely careful to avoid high memory pressure under Big Sur now, otherwise Finder spirals into a r…

I’ve battled application, driver, operating system and hardware issues on every platform I’ve used from mainframes to smartphones. That doesn’t mean that there haven’t been better or worse times with platforms I’ve used over the decades. But it does mean that no platform is exempt from flaws or even dark times. Individual mileages vary wildly depending on a combination of general quality of the product at any stretch…

That can be said, but for as long as I know Mac, it has had these lock up problems.

Last year I worked at a location with a Mac on my left, Win10 on my right. Same software / jobs. Mac hangs 3 times a day. Both machines were very well tended to.

Re: Windows 10 20H2: ChkDsk damages filesystem on SSDs with KB4592438 installed

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Post by Multicomp »

MrStonedOne wrote: post #70
EvanAnderson wrote: post #30

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Windows 7 was peak desktop Windows. Server 2012 R2 was the peak on the server side. Everything after has been downhill.

Still on Windows 7! Gonna keep using it until it gets rooted, then format and install linux.

Hopefully you have extended security updates or use zeropatch.

Admittedly I have a test rig running windows posready 2009, aka w7 with esu cooked in from the beginning for contractual reasons. It is a bit like running windows xp embedded b on a normal desktop but seems good enough that I could use it as a daily driver if I wanted to.

Re: Windows 10 20H2: ChkDsk damages filesystem on SSDs with KB4592438 installed

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Post by Roritharr »

segfaultbuserr wrote: post #114
Roritharr wrote: post #93

I have a very strange SSD related bug at the moment on that Windows version too: I've downloaded my Google Takeout Backup, so 74 4GB sized zips. After I was done extracting them and storing them on Dropbox, I tried to delete the zip files, but my machine froze without so much of a bluescreen. After a hard reboot, I could reproduce the behavior. I can still change the focus of apps, but everything that requires the ss…

SATA Link Power Management (LPM) and Device-Initiated Power Management (DIPM) could also be the culprit here with similar symptoms - after using the computer for a while, the SSD will stop responding to I/O activities, leaving you a half-dead system. Existing programs like a browser, taskbar or window manager will still work for a while, until they need I/O too, eventually everything will be progressively dead. It sh…

Thanks, as this is an AMD Notebook with an PCIe NVMe SSD i'm not sure the SATA Link Power Management is applicable. I've turned off the PCIe Link Power Management though, sadly without improvements.

I have to say this problem ONLY appears when DELETING these specific 4gb zip files. I really can't reproduce this in any other way.

Re: Windows 10 20H2: ChkDsk damages filesystem on SSDs with KB4592438 installed

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Post by apfsx »

technofiend wrote: post #24
apfsx wrote: post #17

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Enterprise version (LTSC) hasn't had a feature update since November of 2018. Only security updates.

LTSC really is the way to go for a stable windows experience, unfortunately there's no legal way for consumers to get licenses without a much larger investment than what a home or pro license costs. You can meet in the middle and run transcript on pro which disables most of the worst new features.

Any word of when is a new version of LTSC supposed to come? I bought a very new laptop that just launched last year. The windows version out of box was I believe 1909. I haven’t yet tried running LTSC on it yet but worried about drivers or other issues. My CPU in the laptop was released in March 2020 and 1809 was released in 2018. I didn’t think it was too good of an idea because of that, even though prior I always ran LTSC and would love to go back if I didn’t have to worry about too new of hardware messing with it.

Re: Windows 10 20H2: ChkDsk damages filesystem on SSDs with KB4592438 installed

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Post by kilroy123 »

anoncow wrote: post #115
game_the0ry wrote: post #9

This article immediately reminded me of a video I saw a while ago.[1] The long and short - MS basically laid off the staff that tested Windows, and much of it is automated nowadays (I bet the MBA educated executive at MS who was responsible for that got PHAT bonus, at the expense of Windows customers and laid off testing staff, of course). Seems like it happened in 2015, which is why it seems that windows updates hav…

A counterpoint. All recent Mac OS versions have been a steaming pile for the first few releases, Catalina and Big Sur included.

That was my first thought as well, macOS hasn't been a bastion of stability either. So many huge insane security bugs.

I always stay one entire version behind. I'm going to barely going to update to macOS Catalina now that big sur is out.

Re: Windows 10 20H2: ChkDsk damages filesystem on SSDs with KB4592438 installed

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Post by formerly_proven »

stinos wrote: post #178
aruggirello wrote: post #173

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> how different is that ... I use it daily and don't know what half of them do. knowing what the other half does is usually a couple clicks away on the web, a 'man ...' away in the terminal, sources are usually available at a similar distance, and most of these services can be stopped and (forever?) disabled with a 'systemctl stop/disable ...' (you might even go the extra step and apt remove them). Trimming down stuf…

You can lookup what processes on windows do as well. You won't get the sources for them usually, but that's what you get for choosing a closed source OS. Similar for disabling them. Since you mention AnyDesk: at least on Windows it also comes as a single portable executable which needs no installation nor extra services i.e. only runs when started manually.

> You can lookup what processes on windows do as well.

What does svchost do?

Re: Windows 10 20H2: ChkDsk damages filesystem on SSDs with KB4592438 installed

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Post by raziel2p »

stinos wrote: post #178
aruggirello wrote: post #173

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> how different is that ... I use it daily and don't know what half of them do. knowing what the other half does is usually a couple clicks away on the web, a 'man ...' away in the terminal, sources are usually available at a similar distance, and most of these services can be stopped and (forever?) disabled with a 'systemctl stop/disable ...' (you might even go the extra step and apt remove them). Trimming down stuf…

You can lookup what processes on windows do as well. You won't get the sources for them usually, but that's what you get for choosing a closed source OS. Similar for disabling them. Since you mention AnyDesk: at least on Windows it also comes as a single portable executable which needs no installation nor extra services i.e. only runs when started manually.

I'm not sure it's that simple. One of the things in my process list is "Service Host: Server". That's so generic I can't even properly google it. One of the answers I found was "A server is an application which serves functionality to other network participants."

Re: Windows 10 20H2: ChkDsk damages filesystem on SSDs with KB4592438 installed

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Post by stinos »

formerly_proven wrote: post #187
stinos wrote: post #178

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can lookup what processes on windows do as well. You won't get the sources for them usually, but that's what you get for choosing a closed source OS. Similar for disabling them. Since you mention AnyDesk: at least on Windows it also comes as a single portable executable which needs no installation nor extra services i.e. only runs when started manually.

> You can lookup what processes on windows do as well. What does svchost do?

It's a host for other services. Point-and-click way to find out which one: right-click in task manager and 'Go to service'.

Re: Windows 10 20H2: ChkDsk damages filesystem on SSDs with KB4592438 installed

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Post by stinos »

raziel2p wrote: post #188
stinos wrote: post #178

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can lookup what processes on windows do as well. You won't get the sources for them usually, but that's what you get for choosing a closed source OS. Similar for disabling them. Since you mention AnyDesk: at least on Windows it also comes as a single portable executable which needs no installation nor extra services i.e. only runs when started manually.

I'm not sure it's that simple. One of the things in my process list is "Service Host: Server". That's so generic I can't even properly google it. One of the answers I found was "A server is an application which serves functionality to other network participants."

In services.msc you get a description: takes care of file and printer sharing and the likes. Otherwise you look for "what does windows server service do?"
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