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CD Projekt Conference Call with the Management Board [pdf] (Dec 14)

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Re: CD Projekt Conference Call with the Management Board [pdf] (Dec 14)

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Post by hatebootlickers »

freeflight wrote: post #660
zemo wrote: post #653

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lot of problems with this comment. First of all, it's not a double standard: Rockstar faced similar criticism because of the crunch culture surrounding the development of RDR2. The specific article you mentioned wound up being terrible PR for Rockstar; as a direct consequence of that article, their behavior was widely criticized: https://www.engadget.com/2018-10-25-red-dead-redemption-2-re... https://kotaku.com/insid…

Rockstar didn't receive "similar" criticism. They got some fallout over that interview, but the whole issue was very much forgotten the moment the game was released and everybody was just fawning over all the details. At that point working conditions at Rockstar became a side-topic barely mentioned in reviews and discussions about the game, if at all. While with CP2077 CDPR at least tried to do better, they set for t…

If you don't work for CDPR I have no idea why you care so much about them. Also CDPR has a market cap of over $8bn so I'm not sure where you're getting your information from.

Also comparing them to other companies is completely pointless and besides the point. Everything you are saying holds no value, and adds nothing to the conversation. You are defending CDPR using illogical and tangentially related arguments.

CDPR saying they worked to reduce crunch means literally nothing. Just because a company produces a product you like does not mean you have to turn a blind eye to horrible practices. Witcher 3 had horrible crunch, it was reported and CDPR didn't address it. It happens again with 2077, they admit it and now I'm your eyes they're the misunderstood good guys? Laughable.

Re: CD Projekt Conference Call with the Management Board [pdf] (Dec 14)

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Post by dkersten »

astrange wrote: post #561
gambiting wrote: post #481

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>>your max out of pocket health expenses won’t exceed a few thousand dollars. Wait, that's meant to be good? What kind of insanity is this. Why do you have to pay anything out of your pocket at all??

Don’t Canadians also have to pay for prescriptions and dental work? Some of that is included in the US benefit cap.

Hundreds out of pocket is better than thousands out of pocket though.

(I'm not Canadian, but here in Europe, without insurance, I've never paid more than a few hundred for dental work or tens for prescriptions. Even if its more in Canada, I imagine its still less than "thousands")

Re: CD Projekt Conference Call with the Management Board [pdf] (Dec 14)

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Post by dkersten »

agensaequivocum wrote: post #605
gambiting wrote: post #588

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>>It’s a strange mindset to think that something should just be free. When it comes to healthcare? Yes, it should absolutely be free to the recepient. I don't know why it's such a strange concept to you - afer all, Americans are also used to receiving certain services for free - you don't have to pay the police for coming to help you, or the fire brigade for that matter. To me it's the same thing - if your house on f…

> When it comes to healthcare? Yes, it should absolutely be free to the recepient. Medical care requires the labor of others. You have no right to it, nor should you put a gun to their head and demand it.

And the labor of others is paid for by the taxes you pay.

Re: CD Projekt Conference Call with the Management Board [pdf] (Dec 14)

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Post by dkersten »

jay_kyburz wrote: post #351
nvrspyx wrote: post #309

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I saw someone post a synopsis on Reddit (forgot the sub) of the actual recorded phone call and these were the points mentioned: - QA was limited and done in-house, thus remotely by people working on the game - Overestimated their ability to fix the problems before launch - Reviewers didn't have access to last-gen console versions because they were still working on the last-gen versions through the certification proce…

Question remains, why did Microsoft and Sony certify them?

I saw this answered somewhere: the certification is only concerned with if your game bricks the console and not at all about the quality of the game itself.

Having said that, surely someone from the certification process would have commented on it: hey guys, your game doesn't brick the base PS4, but come on, its a buggy mess!

Re: CD Projekt Conference Call with the Management Board [pdf] (Dec 14)

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Post by zemo »

freeflight wrote: post #660
zemo wrote: post #653

Earlier quoted context omitted.

lot of problems with this comment. First of all, it's not a double standard: Rockstar faced similar criticism because of the crunch culture surrounding the development of RDR2. The specific article you mentioned wound up being terrible PR for Rockstar; as a direct consequence of that article, their behavior was widely criticized: https://www.engadget.com/2018-10-25-red-dead-redemption-2-re... https://kotaku.com/insid…

Rockstar didn't receive "similar" criticism. They got some fallout over that interview, but the whole issue was very much forgotten the moment the game was released and everybody was just fawning over all the details. At that point working conditions at Rockstar became a side-topic barely mentioned in reviews and discussions about the game, if at all. While with CP2077 CDPR at least tried to do better, they set for t…

have you ever even heard of hindsight bias?

Yeah, Rockstar received all of the same criticism for a few weeks, then people stopped talking about it and forgot. Give it a month or two and people will stop talking about this one too.

> It overwhelmingly refers to the practices by Charles Lynch punishing loyalist supporters of the British during the American Revolutionary war

No, it doesn't, that's just some pedantry you learned on Wikipedia. Literally nobody uses the word "lynching" in that way. Language changes.

Re: CD Projekt Conference Call with the Management Board [pdf] (Dec 14)

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Post by dkersten »

dogma1138 wrote: post #418
p1necone wrote: post #356

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Isn't not quite consistent 30fps basically the norm on PS4/Xbox one?

Yes and no, TW3 was bad like really really bad it still is really sucky on base consoles.

TW3 played perfectly fine on base PS4 for me. Sure, some very action-heavy segments have some frame drops, but overall, it performed acceptably. I played it six months after release, for over 150 hours and I only had one severe bug in that time (I fell through the world, but was able to get back out, so wasn't even game breaking).

Re: CD Projekt Conference Call with the Management Board [pdf] (Dec 14)

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Post by dkersten »

temp wrote: post #419
freeflight wrote: post #386

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Current gen is the PS5 and Xbox Series, except for occasional crashes the game looks and performs really well on those.

The game's been announced 7 years ago and multiple original release dates were prior to the PS5 and Xbox Series even coming out . If Cyberpunk 2077 wasn't targetting PS4 and Xbox One, CDPR shouldn't have released it for them at all.

> If Cyberpunk 2077 wasn't targetting PS4 and Xbox One, CDPR shouldn't have released it for them at all.

Exactly. If they release and advertise it for a platform, it better work. If it doesn't, don't release on that platform.

Re: CD Projekt Conference Call with the Management Board [pdf] (Dec 14)

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Post by f6v »

yunyu wrote: post #61
f6v wrote: post #17

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It doesn't seem like they address the main issues, like AI. I doubt you can treat the absence of major attributes of an open-world game, like car chases, as a bug. They're cleverly focusing on minor glitches and bugs in their talk.

They explicitly addressed the AI point: So, for the first question – whether we’re focusing just on technicalities or gameplay elements; things like AI – for example. To be honest – these are the same for us, from the production standpoint AI and NPC behavior fall within the general category of bugs, so if I can give you an answer – I think it does actually include that as well.

But there's a big difference between bugs in AI and no driving or pursuit AI at all. That's why people aren't satisfied with their statement, they're trying to blur the line between bug and non-existent feature.

Re: CD Projekt Conference Call with the Management Board [pdf] (Dec 14)

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Post by f6v »

mhh__ wrote: post #85
f6v wrote: post #15

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Which I never understood: how is an actor supposed to suddenly carry the whole game? I mean, he's got those cool movies(where he plays the same guy over and over again), but he's no Jesus to be worshiped like that.

He's also, bluntly, not a very good actor

I take Tom Hanks or Bill Murray over Keanu any time, but he's extremely dedicated. The amount of work he put into gun and martial arts training...Maybe that's part of being a good actor, after all.

Re: CD Projekt Conference Call with the Management Board [pdf] (Dec 14)

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Post by vkou »

908B64B197 wrote: post #644
vkou wrote: post #642

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... No, The answer is immigration. 1. If you have a problematic history (which includes things entirely outside of your control, like being born in the wrong part of the world [1]), it can be nearly impossible. 2. If you don't have a problematic history, it's incredibly stressful. If you're on a TN visa, you can be turned away at the border at any time, for any reason whatsoever, including no reason whatsoever. If yo…

That still doesn't explain the gap when they are working for the same company.

When you're working for the same company, the gap exists bcause the company can get away with it. What are you going to do? Go across the street to a competitor who pays just as little?

I worked for an above-market-rate firm in BC. When I got a job offer in SV, my boss could only counter-offer the financial gains if I relocated to their SV office.

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