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Adding Encrypted Group Calls to Signal

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Re: Adding Encrypted Group Calls to Signal

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Duo started with up to 4 participants back in 2019. Facetime is apple only. Zoom is not even end to end encrypted (edit: now), and was built for businesses, and apps are close to malware installers

> apps are close to malware installers I'm probably out of the loop, do you mind expanding on this?

First hit on DDG for “Zoom Mac malware”:

https://www.theverge.com/2020/4/2/21204648/zoom-macos-instal...

Re: Adding Encrypted Group Calls to Signal

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Duo started with up to 4 participants back in 2019. Facetime is apple only. Zoom is not even end to end encrypted (edit: now), and was built for businesses, and apps are close to malware installers

> apps are close to malware installers I'm probably out of the loop, do you mind expanding on this?

IMO this was part of a misinformation campaign against Zoom from several months back.

Zoom is not malware and never was malware, although Zoom did so some installer tricks to help computer illiterate users get into meeting more quickly, which coincidentally is their entire value-add.

Note I own no shares in Zoom, do not and never have worked for Zoom, and have no financial interest in Zoom.

Re: Adding Encrypted Group Calls to Signal

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While Signal is pretty awful on desktop(not to mention this[1] thing), it is my goto messenger on my phone. Brilliant security and props for being one of the very few to extensively use Rust in production. I was really sad to see they hire in the US only. [1] https://github.com/signalapp/Signal-Desktop/issues/1630

Disagree. Signal on desktop works very well for me and is very useful for quickly sending files from desktop to phone and back, especially when the phone isn't handy.

Re: Adding Encrypted Group Calls to Signal

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While Signal is pretty awful on desktop(not to mention this[1] thing), it is my goto messenger on my phone. Brilliant security and props for being one of the very few to extensively use Rust in production. I was really sad to see they hire in the US only. [1] https://github.com/signalapp/Signal-Desktop/issues/1630

Disagree. Signal on desktop works very well for me and is very useful for quickly sending files from desktop to phone and back, especially when the phone isn't handy.

Except you must have it installed on a spyphone at the same time, which destroys all privacy it has...

Re: Adding Encrypted Group Calls to Signal

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Disagree. Signal on desktop works very well for me and is very useful for quickly sending files from desktop to phone and back, especially when the phone isn't handy.

Except you must have it installed on a spyphone at the same time, which destroys all privacy it has...

There are efforts to get Signal working on the PinePhone and Librem phone through Anbox. Signal also does not require Google Play Services, it can run with completely libre software all the way down. So, Signal is becoming a viable choice on a device that meets Free Software standards and is not a “spyphone”.

Re: Adding Encrypted Group Calls to Signal

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Disagree. Signal on desktop works very well for me and is very useful for quickly sending files from desktop to phone and back, especially when the phone isn't handy.

Except you must have it installed on a spyphone at the same time, which destroys all privacy it has...

Except I have it installed on grapheneos

Re: Adding Encrypted Group Calls to Signal

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Does Signal still fore you to use a phone number? This is a huge deal breaker for a privacy concerned messenger. That's why I prefer using Threema.

Threema is not open source yet so I wouldn't use it for that reason. I did like their security whitepaper, though, and they do have some impressive clients (Mercedes-Benz, etc.).

Additionally they have regular audits [1]. Open source only without any actual thorough reviews doesn't cut it in my opinion.

[1]: https://threema.ch/en/blog/posts/audit-2020-en

Re: Adding Encrypted Group Calls to Signal

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I find it odd that packaging for a specific distro is an upstream effort. I never understood why upstream source should include Debian/Fedora-specific files. The way that Arch Linux approaches packaging makes much more sense to me - a single bash-like PKGBUILD file that describes how the upstream source should be transformed into a package that the distro knows how to deal with.

> I find it odd that packaging for a specific distro is an upstream effort. I never understood why upstream source should include Debian/Fedora-specific files. This is generally frowned-upon in Debian too. Upstream's effort are nearly always wrong from the distribution's point of view, and extra busywork has to be done to get rid of upstream's attempt.

Maybe the Debian project frowns upon them but as an end user I love them.

Re: Adding Encrypted Group Calls to Signal

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Does someone know more about the architecture of Signal's group calls? From looking at the ringrtc source, it seems that the calls are not fully meshed, but use some kind of group key and a SFU for server-side media distribution. Is that correct?
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