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Adding Encrypted Group Calls to Signal

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Re: Adding Encrypted Group Calls to Signal

#11

Post by yuvadam »

axegon_ wrote: post #3

While Signal is pretty awful on desktop(not to mention this[1] thing), it is my goto messenger on my phone. Brilliant security and props for being one of the very few to extensively use Rust in production. I was really sad to see they hire in the US only. [1] https://github.com/signalapp/Signal-Desktop/issues/1630

I find it odd that packaging for a specific distro is an upstream effort. I never understood why upstream source should include Debian/Fedora-specific files.

The way that Arch Linux approaches packaging makes much more sense to me - a single bash-like PKGBUILD file that describes how the upstream source should be transformed into a package that the distro knows how to deal with.

Re: Adding Encrypted Group Calls to Signal

#13

Post by ffpip »

Ansil849 wrote: post #8

> Group calls are currently limited to 5 participants Compared to other apps which offer group E2EE video calls: Duo - 32 participants Facetime - 32 participants Zoom - 100 participants (or 1000 w/ a Large Meeting License)

Duo started with up to 4 participants back in 2019.

Facetime is apple only.

Zoom is not even end to end encrypted (edit: now), and was built for businesses, and apps are close to malware installers

Re: Adding Encrypted Group Calls to Signal

#14

Post by gspr »

yuvadam wrote: post #11
axegon_ wrote: post #3

While Signal is pretty awful on desktop(not to mention this[1] thing), it is my goto messenger on my phone. Brilliant security and props for being one of the very few to extensively use Rust in production. I was really sad to see they hire in the US only. [1] https://github.com/signalapp/Signal-Desktop/issues/1630

I find it odd that packaging for a specific distro is an upstream effort. I never understood why upstream source should include Debian/Fedora-specific files. The way that Arch Linux approaches packaging makes much more sense to me - a single bash-like PKGBUILD file that describes how the upstream source should be transformed into a package that the distro knows how to deal with.

> I find it odd that packaging for a specific distro is an upstream effort. I never understood why upstream source should include Debian/Fedora-specific files.

This is generally frowned-upon in Debian too. Upstream's effort are nearly always wrong from the distribution's point of view, and extra busywork has to be done to get rid of upstream's attempt.

Re: Adding Encrypted Group Calls to Signal

#15

Post by godelski »

2Gkashmiri wrote: post #7

unless they allow no phone accounts, its a non starter for many. including me. having been persecuted for having whatsapp installed on the phone, (which i personally dont, btw) for an adversary like a police state, whatsapp encryption is somewhat moot. public 'news' groups on whatsapp have admins and they are made to report to the local police station where that malware is installed. then its just a matter of time wa…

I heard that they were working on this. https://community.signalusers.org/t/signal-introducing-usern...

Re: Adding Encrypted Group Calls to Signal

#16

Post by Ansil849 »

ffpip wrote: post #13
Ansil849 wrote: post #8

> Group calls are currently limited to 5 participants Compared to other apps which offer group E2EE video calls: Duo - 32 participants Facetime - 32 participants Zoom - 100 participants (or 1000 w/ a Large Meeting License)

Duo started with up to 4 participants back in 2019. Facetime is apple only. Zoom is not even end to end encrypted (edit: now), and was built for businesses, and apps are close to malware installers

> Zoom is not even end to end encrypted

https://blog.zoom.us/zoom-rolling-out-end-to-end-encryption-...

Re: Adding Encrypted Group Calls to Signal

#17

Post by kelnos »

gspr wrote: post #14
yuvadam wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I find it odd that packaging for a specific distro is an upstream effort. I never understood why upstream source should include Debian/Fedora-specific files. The way that Arch Linux approaches packaging makes much more sense to me - a single bash-like PKGBUILD file that describes how the upstream source should be transformed into a package that the distro knows how to deal with.

> I find it odd that packaging for a specific distro is an upstream effort. I never understood why upstream source should include Debian/Fedora-specific files. This is generally frowned-upon in Debian too. Upstream's effort are nearly always wrong from the distribution's point of view, and extra busywork has to be done to get rid of upstream's attempt.

On the flip side, I definitely do appreciate when upstream includes a debian directory, as that means I can easily self-build my own package with the latest source, even if I'm on Debian stable or whatever and don't expect and update or backport.

Re: Adding Encrypted Group Calls to Signal

#18

Post by ffpip »

Ansil849 wrote: post #16
ffpip wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Duo started with up to 4 participants back in 2019. Facetime is apple only. Zoom is not even end to end encrypted (edit: now), and was built for businesses, and apps are close to malware installers

> Zoom is not even end to end encrypted https://blog.zoom.us/zoom-rolling-out-end-to-end-encryption-...

It's not by default, and still hasn't rolled out here.

Re: Adding Encrypted Group Calls to Signal

#20

Post by dastx »

ffpip wrote: post #13
Ansil849 wrote: post #8

> Group calls are currently limited to 5 participants Compared to other apps which offer group E2EE video calls: Duo - 32 participants Facetime - 32 participants Zoom - 100 participants (or 1000 w/ a Large Meeting License)

Duo started with up to 4 participants back in 2019. Facetime is apple only. Zoom is not even end to end encrypted (edit: now), and was built for businesses, and apps are close to malware installers

> apps are close to malware installers

I'm probably out of the loop, do you mind expanding on this?

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