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Re: EU countries team up for semiconductor push

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Post by tromp »

folago wrote: post #150
Gravityloss wrote: post #48

So, what would a new bleeding edge modern architecture and instruction set look like if one could start from scratch? I assume general computing so cell phones and servers are the target.

Maybe the Mill? https://millcomputing.com/ edit: added link.

As interesting as the Mill looks on paper, it's hard to keep faith in this architecture ever coming to fruition with the decreasing press coverage [1] (8 articles in 2013, only 1 each in 2014, 2015, 2017, several about fund seeking) and lack of activity in the Implementation section of their Forum [2] (one nearly 1 year old thread and others nearly 3 years old or more).

[1] https://millcomputing.com/in-the-press/

[2] https://millcomputing.com/forum/the-mill/implementation/

Re: EU countries team up for semiconductor push

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Post by chrisjc »

christophilus wrote: post #78
burlesona wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How is TSMC being taken over by China?

Just a guess, but there's been some press about China luring TSMC's talent by offering outsized salaries. Also, there's the increasingly aggressive military presence of China (flying bombers and jets over Taiwanese airspace with ever greater audacity) which suggests it's only a matter of time before China officially takes Taiwan. I honestly don't see the world doing anything to stop that.

So i wonder if "being overtaken" by China is a better way to phrase it then.

Re: EU countries team up for semiconductor push

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Post by arnaudsm »

ralfn wrote: post #111
arnaudsm wrote: post #8

This is a great decision! I never understood why Europe under-invested in semi considering the talents they have and the strategic nature of it. Intel is dying a slow death, ARM is leaving UK's control, and TSMC is slowly taken over by China. The tables are turning.

Most competitive chips in the world are produced by machines made in the Netherlands at ASMI/ASML The US companies do what they do best: innovate business models and find ways to vendor lock in and own the market. But who's been doing all the research keeping moore's law alive? Lithography? For a country as small as the Netherlands, you can wonder if we could afford from a geopolitical point of view to be producing a…

> It will end up in the pockets of friends and families of politicians that will be in "the management".

100% agree. Considering the incredible education system and engineers we have, the 2 only things restraining Europe from reaching Silicon Valley level are corrupt politicians and risk-adverse VCs.

Re: EU countries team up for semiconductor push

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Post by guai888 »

Semiconductor sector usually has a No. 1 player which takes more than 50% of the market share of a specific application or business model. It is a very crowded field and very difficult to catch up to current leaders. Unless Europe has a game changing technology or business model, I am not optimistic about the outcome. They should think about working with Taiwan or South Korea instead of going alone. US end up persuades(orders) Taiwan to make sure TSMC builds a new plant in US.

Re: EU countries team up for semiconductor push

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Post by MangoCoffee »

arnaudsm wrote: post #8

This is a great decision! I never understood why Europe under-invested in semi considering the talents they have and the strategic nature of it. Intel is dying a slow death, ARM is leaving UK's control, and TSMC is slowly taken over by China. The tables are turning.

>TSMC is slowly taken over by China

far from it

Re: EU countries team up for semiconductor push

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Post by haram_masala »

madeofpalk wrote: post #144
ntsplnkv2 wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Americans who are able to get jobs in the tech industry do not have to worry about expensive healthcare, at all. The US is very much a tale of two countries - but people here making a lot of money have a great quality of life.

Maybe you just answered the question why people wouldn't want to move to such a country. From the outside, America does not portray itself to be a particularly stable or desirable place to live.

I'm sure it does if you read Russia Today and Xinhua.

Re: EU countries team up for semiconductor push

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Post by publicola1990 »

MrBuddyCasino wrote: post #157
arnaudsm wrote: post #8

This is a great decision! I never understood why Europe under-invested in semi considering the talents they have and the strategic nature of it. Intel is dying a slow death, ARM is leaving UK's control, and TSMC is slowly taken over by China. The tables are turning.

> This is a great decision! If they can execute, which I very much doubt, given the history of similar EU initiatives. The only example I can think of is Airbus. Those funds are usually funneled toward bullshit vendors that are specialised in milking such EU programs, with nothing to show for it afterwards.

And even Airbus is widely thought to being dependent on under the table government funding to keep it afloat, and keep its pricing competative. The line between private and government is blurred when EU is usually involved as well.

Re: EU countries team up for semiconductor push

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Post by _prototype_ »

czzr wrote: post #163
_prototype_ wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm in the US. The company I work for also hires remote contractors from Europe. We do basically the same thing (software development). One guy I'm close with, and we've talked about our salaries. I make 200k My friend in Europe makes 30k. The difference is astounding.

Eastern Europe, presumably?

Central Europe actually

Re: EU countries team up for semiconductor push

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Post by pantulis »

folago wrote: post #150
Gravityloss wrote: post #48

So, what would a new bleeding edge modern architecture and instruction set look like if one could start from scratch? I assume general computing so cell phones and servers are the target.

Maybe the Mill? https://millcomputing.com/ edit: added link.

Sounds like Transmeta.

Anyway, these alternative/exotic computing models also remember flops like the old Transputers. But it is necessary to invest in those anyway.

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