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Re: EU countries team up for semiconductor push

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Post by ChuckNorris89 »

nr2x wrote: post #58
LunaSea wrote: post #10

What will actually happen: some countries will spend a trivial amount of money in a PR stunt with not coordination between the countries and result in no advance for the EU countries participating. Source: All other industries in Europe.

Finland knows a thing or two, even if not present in the headline.

Are you Finnish? I'm really curious what happened to all those hardware and electrical engineers developing phones for Nokia/Microsoft before they went bust, respawned as HMD, packed up and moved their production and R&D to China.

Did they pivot to other industries in Finland? If so, which industries? Were they valued as much in the other industries or did they take significant pay cuts? Or did they have to pack up and move elsewhere where they would be valued? If so, where?

I'm asking since I met a few ex-Nokia people looking for work in Switzerland/Germany/Austria years ago.

If anyone knows more I'd like to find out please.

Re: EU countries team up for semiconductor push

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Post by sitkack »

arnaudsm wrote: post #8

This is a great decision! I never understood why Europe under-invested in semi considering the talents they have and the strategic nature of it. Intel is dying a slow death, ARM is leaving UK's control, and TSMC is slowly taken over by China. The tables are turning.

NXP and STM are both European companies. Arm is from the UK.

I do agree that every continent should have a modern fab along with the supply chain to feed and repair it.

Re: EU countries team up for semiconductor push

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Post by JohnJamesRambo »

jonplackett wrote: post #140
abrowne wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But many do provide support "unofficially". And HK was already under "one country, two systems", while Taiwan is de facto independent even if the PRC claims it.

They're just saying it's a worry. The point is if China decide to do this, there isn't anyone who can stop them.

There will be quite a few people that stop them.

Re: EU countries team up for semiconductor push

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Post by MrBuddyCasino »

Deukhoofd wrote: post #138
newbie578 wrote: post #101

Unfortunately, does anyone even takes the EU serious nowadays in tech? The more I follow the European tech scene, the more disappointed I become. EU's biggest tech company aside of ARM is Spotify... Almost every second startup I read about in https://www.eu-startups.com/ is a fintech/budgeting app which is trying to "disrupt" banking. Revolut is the biggest player, yet they are literally throwing money to achieve a m…

> EU's biggest tech company aside of ARM is Spotify How about SAP, Capgemini, Atos, Deutsche Telekom, Telefónica, Vodafone, ASML? Not hip enough for you?

> Capgemini, Atos, Deutsche Telekom, Telefónica, Vodafone

IT Consulting body shops & telecom. If that was the peak it would indeed be looking grim (luckily it isn't).

Re: EU countries team up for semiconductor push

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Post by oblio »

newsclues wrote: post #142
robert_foss wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Only 14 out of 193 UN countries recognize Taiwan as an independent state. Given how Hong Kong was forced to bend the knee recently, I'd say this is a reasonable worry.

And yet the US military essentially safeguards Taiwan, and will continue to do so for the American business interests in TSMC.

... in 2020. What will happen in 2040, when the Chinese economy is double the US one?

Re: EU countries team up for semiconductor push

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Post by nickpp »

madeofpalk wrote: post #147
nickpp wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The health care in Europe is not free, we just pay indirectly through our taxes.

No one is confused or mislead about this.

Then calling it "free healthcare" is a misnomer. A confusing and misleading one.

Re: EU countries team up for semiconductor push

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Post by MrBuddyCasino »

arnaudsm wrote: post #8

This is a great decision! I never understood why Europe under-invested in semi considering the talents they have and the strategic nature of it. Intel is dying a slow death, ARM is leaving UK's control, and TSMC is slowly taken over by China. The tables are turning.

> This is a great decision!

If they can execute, which I very much doubt, given the history of similar EU initiatives. The only example I can think of is Airbus. Those funds are usually funneled toward bullshit vendors that are specialised in milking such EU programs, with nothing to show for it afterwards.

Re: EU countries team up for semiconductor push

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Post by madeofpalk »

nickpp wrote: post #156
madeofpalk wrote: post #147

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No one is confused or mislead about this.

Then calling it "free healthcare" is a misnomer. A confusing and misleading one.

Again, no one is actually confused by this.

We consider roads to be "free", but with the understanding that we do pay for it in the end through taxes.

Re: EU countries team up for semiconductor push

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Post by oblio »

Aerroon wrote: post #99
WhoCaresLies wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Energy, Steel, Semi(ARM), Pharma, Luxury, Distribution, Telecom Giants in Europe, there are a lot more Only Americans think the opposite, i wonder why.. And speaking of market, Europe is a big player, https://www.vgchartz.com/ console sales speak for itself Stop being brainwashed

The EU is ahead of the US in crude steel production, but we're about 6 times behind China.[0] ARM is in the UK and not the EU. It's owned by a Japanese company and soon an American one. Does Europe do that well in pharmaceuticals? It looks to me like the US is leading in biomedical research publications. [1] Some European countries are ahead when measured per capita, but only some and that's not an important figure h…

> The EU is ahead of the US in crude steel production, but we're about 6 times behind China.[0]

Steel isn't a relevant metric these days. Almost all developed countries can make as much as they need. China needs and produces more because they have to catch up.

> Does Europe do that well in pharmaceuticals? It looks to me like the US is leading in biomedical research publications.

I would hope that

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hoffmann-La_Roche

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novartis

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bayer

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AstraZeneca

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanofi

etc. aren't just twiddling their thumbs :-)

Re: EU countries team up for semiconductor push

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Post by nickpp »

madeofpalk wrote: post #158
nickpp wrote: post #156

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Then calling it "free healthcare" is a misnomer. A confusing and misleading one.

Again, no one is actually confused by this. We consider roads to be "free", but with the understanding that we do pay for it in the end through taxes.

Never heard the expression "free roads". Around here we know infrastructure costs billions. Also paid from our taxes.
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