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Re: EU countries team up for semiconductor push

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Post by welterde »

Cthulhu_ wrote: post #19
LunaSea wrote: post #10

What will actually happen: some countries will spend a trivial amount of money in a PR stunt with not coordination between the countries and result in no advance for the EU countries participating. Source: All other industries in Europe.

Pretty much. I mean in theory someone could build a new fab in Europe, using European-built machines (from ASML). In practice, it'll involve government involvement so it HAS to become a multi-national endeavour where every country wants to leave their mark on it, and of course said countries' work culture / ethic. Even if it is a standalone company, it'll be vying for that dank european subsidy.

Might give GlobalFoundries another crack at their 7nm technology. Currently they are stuck at 14nm at their US fab and 12nm at their German fab (they rolled that out last year iirc).

Re: EU countries team up for semiconductor push

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Post by newsclues »

robert_foss wrote: post #70
burlesona wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How is TSMC being taken over by China?

Only 14 out of 193 UN countries recognize Taiwan as an independent state. Given how Hong Kong was forced to bend the knee recently, I'd say this is a reasonable worry.

And yet the US military essentially safeguards Taiwan, and will continue to do so for the American business interests in TSMC.

Re: EU countries team up for semiconductor push

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Post by sitkack »

yvdriess wrote: post #135
fsflover wrote: post #116

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Here is how it could look: https://www.crowdsupply.com/sutajio-kosagi/precursor

RISC-V bleeding edge?

In avoiding the morass of stupid patent rulings that allow manufacturers to camp on an ISA.

There is no reason that anyone shouldn't be able to take someone's databook for a processor and produce a legal work alike. But since we can't do that.

The whole industry is forced to create a new ISA for the sole purpose of saying it is ok to produce work-a-likes.

Cutting edge, but in legal maneuvers.

Re: EU countries team up for semiconductor push

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Post by madeofpalk »

ntsplnkv2 wrote: post #49
tomcooks wrote: post #32

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Free healthcare, somehow reasonable housing prices outside of huge city centers, proximity to elderly parents, generally higher quality of life, to name few reasons.

Americans who are able to get jobs in the tech industry do not have to worry about expensive healthcare, at all. The US is very much a tale of two countries - but people here making a lot of money have a great quality of life.

Maybe you just answered the question why people wouldn't want to move to such a country.

From the outside, America does not portray itself to be a particularly stable or desirable place to live.

Re: EU countries team up for semiconductor push

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Post by claudeganon »

burlesona wrote: post #108
Cthulhu_ wrote: post #29

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Well for one, I and everyone I know happen to live here. I guess if someone can suffer the US' shitty conditions, I guess there's nothing stopping them from going there... except for the US's stringent immigration policies. Can't just hop over the pond to go work there, and I'm fairly sure it's easier for a US citizen to work here than the other way around. Of course, that too is deincentivized thanks to US tax laws…

This is a rude and ignorant statement. First, you admit that "you and everyone you know" live in Europe. Perhaps consider not making sweeping generalizations about places that neither you nor anyone you know live. Second, the many US States are far from perfect, as are the many EU member nations, but conditions in the US in general are hardly "shitty." Other's have pointed out the extraordinary number of immigrants t…

The US' "shitty conditions" aren't limited to healthcare or housing (but also last time I checked, having health insurance doesn't mean you're actually going to receive the healthcare you need). Look at measures like wealth inequality, police violence, parental and other forms of leave, infant mortality, child hunger and poverty. The US underperforms Europe on many of these metrics.

Also, that the US accepts more immigrants is not an argument for its inherent superiority, especially given how vilified and abused they've been in the past four years. All it means is that there are countries worse than the US, or that better ones have more restrictive immigration policies.

Re: EU countries team up for semiconductor push

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Post by madeofpalk »

nickpp wrote: post #118
tomcooks wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Free healthcare, somehow reasonable housing prices outside of huge city centers, proximity to elderly parents, generally higher quality of life, to name few reasons.

The health care in Europe is not free, we just pay indirectly through our taxes.

No one is confused or mislead about this.

Re: EU countries team up for semiconductor push

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Post by joelbluminator »

dragonelite wrote: post #129
ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #125

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>Most competitive chips in the world are produced by machines made in the Netherlands at ASMI/ASML AFAIK, ASMLs fancy EUV tech comes from a Bay Area company they acquired a while ago and not from the Netherlands.

Yeah i'm always wonder just because the company is located in the EU, does it mean its actually a EU company? Given US institutional investors who probably have big voting power own majority stake in those tech companies.

I think ASML's connection to NL is solid, you could say it's a Dutch company. The R&D, world headquarters are in NL and board of directors includes many Dutch people, including the CEO.

Re: EU countries team up for semiconductor push

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Post by LunaSea »

aweb wrote: post #41
LunaSea wrote: post #10

What will actually happen: some countries will spend a trivial amount of money in a PR stunt with not coordination between the countries and result in no advance for the EU countries participating. Source: All other industries in Europe.

Doesn't seem like that's the case for Airbus, ESA or CERN for instance. I agree that there's a lot of bureaucracy in Europe but still stuff gets done from time to time!

For Airbus I would agree but ESA isn't on the same level as NASA and CERN is competitive but only in a field where there is no real reason to be competitive (no money is made).
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