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Re: Tech elites leaving San Francisco threaten Silicon Valley's supremacy

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Post by bryanrasmussen »

habosa wrote: post #689

In the last 10-15 years San Francisco gained a ton of residents that didn't want to be there at all. They moved there because the job opportunities in tech were too hard to turn down. I had some friends like this, they just never really liked the city. Now they're all leaving because their job is not making them stay. That's fine and I'm happy they have more choices now. But there's a flip side to that. One of my lea…

I haven't live in SF since the mid-90s but what are the complaints? From my viewpoint it's easily in the top 10 places to live in the U.S, so unless people are coming from one of the other places or have a particular overwhelming interest like 'sunny weather all the time' I don't know what the complaints would actually be.

Re: Tech elites leaving San Francisco threaten Silicon Valley's supremacy

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Post by kodah »

brandonscott wrote: post #730
kodah wrote: post #608

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Former Texan here! You will not get RSU's or bonuses as an engineer in Texas. You will get cash and insurance. If you doubt me, feel free to go on an interview and ask about those things! I can tell you there's a reason I left Texas and it's because cash doesn't do to your savings what RSU's and bonuses will.

I'm an engineer in Austin. We definitely get bonuses and I have RSUs at my current company.

It's good to hear that's changed. When I was in Dallas that was certainly not the case.

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Post by devtosales »

legerdemain wrote: post #807
devtosales wrote: post #777

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Children don’t have diverse identities. I used to think I was Batman, my mate used to think he was black. Impressionable children are impressionable.

Case in point.

What a world when people can attack then rejection of child abuse and that’s socially acceptable.

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Post by cultofmetatron »

burnthrow wrote: post #383
cultofmetatron wrote: post #119

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> there is too much competition for women, and opportunities to date do not come by easily at all. I can't agree more. Spent 5 years in SF single. I went down to Colombia to explore a different culture. I was unsingle in less than a month. The average "unlovable tech bro" in SF is considered a catch almost anywhere else.

I'm a fan of fair career opportunities for women even if it means I have to work harder to find a date/mate.

my post has nothing to do with career opportunities for women.

Re: Tech elites leaving San Francisco threaten Silicon Valley's supremacy

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Post by thu2111 »

medium_burrito wrote: post #748
manfredo wrote: post #724

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When I lived in SF it was socially acceptable to openly degrade tech workers. Nancy Pelosi's daughter went on TV and called SF tech workers "vermin" and "invaders" and described the presence of tech works as an "infestation". Open hostility and dehumanization is condoned. In no way did I feel oppressed, but it did come off as tone deaf the way people on one breath say stuff like that and in the next complain about ho…

Yeah it's so tough being a tech worker. I feel almost as oppressed as the billionaires.

The post you're replying to literally says "in no way did I feel oppressed"

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Post by romanoderoma »

birdyrooster wrote: post #805
PopeDotNinja wrote: post #764

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I think you’re echoing OP’s point. Some people come to California for opportunity, and when they find enough success, they leave. They’re not CA natives, they’re expats from places with less opportunity and crappier weather. People who want to live in California view the taxes as a cost of enjoying California.

If we want to start getting uppity about who is a Californian native, let's first consider the Muewkma Ohlone people who were decimated and whose lands were stolen by European settlers here in the Bay Area.

I think you meant Muwekma Ohlone.

If we are trying to be precise it was the Spanish who stole their land.

Not all Europeans are made equal.

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Post by nph5667 »

Afton wrote: post #849
nph5667 wrote: post #670

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Sorry for not understanding, but I still don't quite get why is it a good time? From the description of your situation it looks like any new job right now is a temporal job. At least that's how I read it.

I mean that everyone who wants to work remotely, now actually has the opportunity to do so, and since everyone is working remote, you are not at a disadvantage based on your remote status. That may change in the future, it may not. But right now, changing jobs doesn't seem like a 'bad time', which is what the parent poster was claiming.

Ah, I see. But I was trying to say that I do not want to change a job right now because of the global uncertainty, not that it is harder for me to do it.

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Post by romanoderoma »

tomjen3 wrote: post #864
DSingularity wrote: post #848

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It is unbecoming to point at the homeless and blame them for making our cities unattractive. These are human beings with souls and emotions. When they make us feel uncomfortable with their appearance or behavior we should remember they lead lives where they are likely suffering most of every day. We as a people have failed to create a society with space for these people to exist in peace, happiness, and good health.…

>It is unbecoming to point at the homeless and blame them for making our cities unattractive. I had a coworker who visited sf. A homeless person threw a bottle of urine all over him. Do you think that made it more or less attractive? Seriously we all suffer, but most of us suffer in such a way that we don't make the world too much worse for others.

Wow.

I didn't know the homeless were to blame for making the World much worse for others.

Thanks for opening my eyes.

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Post by nph5667 »

trentnix wrote: post #248
nph5667 wrote: post #220

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You are spot on and I am surprised that this is often overlooked. The industry is either on the the track to the massive shift how it operates, or, after COVID it comes back to the traditional in office MO.

I'm not sure it's relevant. It's not as if remote options haven't been available for a long time. The wages in San Francisco aren't determined explicitly by cost-of-living, they are determined by the scarcity of availability of the right resources. Businesses found it necessary to exist in Silicon Valley because it provided certain benefits, and businesses found it necessary to have on-premises employees because it p…

I agree, and frankly, at this point, I think the changes did not pass the point of no return. But this depends on whether the vaccines eventually work and for how long, will the virus mutates etc. What I know is that never before the industry had this global "remote operation" training on such a global scale and who knows will it result in changes or it was decided that it's unsustainable and everyone wants to be back to normal asap.

Re: Tech elites leaving San Francisco threaten Silicon Valley's supremacy

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Post by woofie11 »

ghaff wrote: post #280
woofie11 wrote: post #167

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I think THE major difference was enforcement of noncompetes (as well as those as a proxy for a slew of similar regulatory differences). Financial resources went to route 128 because of a more corporate-friendly regulatory climate. Innovation came from Silicon Valley because of a more innovation-friendly regulatory climate. Guess which won out? US reached economic supremacy in part due to a weaker IP scheme than Europ…

>Guess which won out? For a long time, Route 128 did largely win out, semiconductors in SV notwithstanding. The lead in computer-related technology did tend to shift to California with the shift to microcomputers. Although it's not clear that was in any way inevitable. (After all, Compaq was in Texas.)

.... Which was the exact moment computing stopped looking like biotech. Before microcomputers, starting a computer company required an investment of perhaps a million dollars in today's currency, depending on the type of company.

After microcomputers, anyone could do it out of their home.

If my employer is making a CAD tool and makes a dumb decision, I can make my better CAD tool and put them out of business. Even hardware changed when I no longer needed to buy individual transistors. Things like the Apple could be designed out of a garage, with commercial off-the-shelf parts, perhaps borrowing a little bit of money from friends and family, but without even taking out a second mortgage. From there, things spiraled up, with quick-turn $40 PCBs, fabless IC companies, and so on.

It didn't have to happen in Silicon Valley, but it couldn't happen in Boston, and with Stanford and what not, Silicon Valley was as good a place as any.

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