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Re: Tech elites leaving San Francisco threaten Silicon Valley's supremacy

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Cold is fine. Getting robbed at gunpoint isn't. That's the real Chicago you have to contend with.

Only place I’ve been robbed is SF (Tenderloin, 2002). Only place I’ve had my car broken into is SFBA (Berkeley 2008, San Jose and SF in 2018).

And Chicago has nearly 6x as many violent crimes per year as Oakland or San Francisco and still edges them out on property crime.

Re: Tech elites leaving San Francisco threaten Silicon Valley's supremacy

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> California, by contrast, reacted to an identical court ruling in 2008 by banning same-sex marriage until all such laws were overturned in 2015. This is a cherry-picked example and a bad-faith argument. You're trying to portray the CA Prop 8 battle as demonstrating that CA was/is regressive. It does not show that. It's more accurate to say that there was a national debate going on at the time, and the open-ness of t…

> This is a cherry-picked example and a bad-faith argument. What’s the trend of claiming arguments are in “bad faith?” It’s like a verbal tic people have developed recently. I didn’t “cherry pick” anything. The very first step of the author’s analysis was to exclude states that had banned same-sex marriage prior to Obergefell on the theory that federal law could be changed. That exclusion carried through all the subs…

I think you're myopically focused on a certain reading, so as mentioned, won't engage further.

Re: Tech elites leaving San Francisco threaten Silicon Valley's supremacy

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I did this and completely agree. I lived in the bay area since high school, more than two decades ago. Last year I finally moved away from it for good. Not far, just to the Greater Sacramento area. (I've been working remotely for a couple years, well before COVID) Qualify of life improvement is huge. Weather and cultural are important reasons for me to stay in California (plus family and friends), and I still get tha…

> real summers/not chilly I mean, it's not cold once you get outside of SF/San Bruno. If you're in the peninsula or south bay, it's really fucking hot during the summer. Uncomfortably hot because no one has AC and many of the homes don't have insulation still.

It can hit 100 these days in San Francisco itself in summer, but there is still this weird sanctimonious attitude about air conditioning. We asked some landscape designers about leaving room for a unit in the yard and more than once got a huffy "People don't use A/C in San Francisco" sort of answer. It's extra miserable if the windows have to stay shut due to wildfire smoke.

Re: Tech elites leaving San Francisco threaten Silicon Valley's supremacy

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Is there a general belief that San Francisco is a counter cultural place?

Only by some San Franciscans who've been sniffing their own farts for too long. Everyone else thinks that The Bay is culturually homogenous.

If I said something bad about "red necks" or other such subcultures people would get angry and indignant. But somehow it's become OK to make disparaging comments like that about San Franciscans.

Re: Tech elites leaving San Francisco threaten Silicon Valley's supremacy

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Is there a general belief that San Francisco is a counter cultural place?

Only by some San Franciscans who've been sniffing their own farts for too long. Everyone else thinks that The Bay is culturually homogenous.

It’s pretty dangerous to go against the culture these days. I’ve been singled out for trying to stay out of PC culture. Backed into a coroner of either actively agree with everything PC or “consequences”.

Re: Tech elites leaving San Francisco threaten Silicon Valley's supremacy

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Nobody really brings up that the bay area is one of few places in the US where you can live without a car. Really, even compared to other "walkable" cities beyond a select few, similarly expensive places. Nobody really brings up that the bay area has better LGBT and other minority protections than anywhere in the US, either. Every time someone mentions cheap midwest cities I have to pull up https://crossingenres.com/…

And rent is sky-high, tax is insane, homeless with needles are everywhere, the city is one of the dirtiest in the country, and bleeding-heart citizens have passed propositions increasing crime and tying the hands of police. If there’s one thing I remember about the BART it’s the overwhelming noise and the constant smell of urine. The public transport situation is archaic and pales in comparison to other cities. You c…

Yeah I don't get it when people say SF is "walkable".

No, Toronto is walkable. It's flat, dense, everything is close by, and clean. I'd be content to walk 45-50 mins to get somewhere.

In SF, I dread having to walk, bike or take public transit anywhere. It's unpleasant, unsafe, smells horrible and there's rampant petty crime. And not just one district, it's like that in most of the areas you need to go to

Re: Tech elites leaving San Francisco threaten Silicon Valley's supremacy

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Are you really saying that it's harder to be a techie than LGBT in San Francisco?

When I lived in SF it was socially acceptable to openly degrade tech workers. Nancy Pelosi's daughter went on TV and called SF tech workers "vermin" and "invaders" and described the presence of tech works as an "infestation". Open hostility and dehumanization is condoned. In no way did I feel oppressed, but it did come off as tone deaf the way people on one breath say stuff like that and in the next complain about ho…

Yeah it's so tough being a tech worker. I feel almost as oppressed as the billionaires.

Re: Tech elites leaving San Francisco threaten Silicon Valley's supremacy

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People believe on the Too Big to Fail fallacy. Silicon Valley only survived because it was a cyclic move, things became bad when companies got involved in politics and turned into legal monopolies. Silicon Valley was supposed to be a place for geeks and creative people, not just a bunch of lawyers running monopolies.

Re: Tech elites leaving San Francisco threaten Silicon Valley's supremacy

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Nobody really brings up that the bay area is one of few places in the US where you can live without a car. Really, even compared to other "walkable" cities beyond a select few, similarly expensive places. Nobody really brings up that the bay area has better LGBT and other minority protections than anywhere in the US, either. Every time someone mentions cheap midwest cities I have to pull up https://crossingenres.com/…

I agree on almost all of your points with a few caveats. - Cars : The Bay Area is very walkable but that’s mainly SF. The tech burbs of Palo Alto , Menlo Park are not super walkable and you are relying on the BART and other public transport . But Covid has destroyed public transport and cuts in funding threaten them further. LGBT : This is not really the 80s and 90s . Most big cities from DC, Atlanta, Austin ,Chicago…

A caveat on the caveat about cars - I live without a car in the suburbs just fine (Sunnyvale). YMMV, but for me a car would be more of a nice to have. I'll probably get one in a few years anyway after maybe buying a house here, but it's not something I view as an urgent expense.
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