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Tech elites leaving San Francisco threaten Silicon Valley's supremacy

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Re: Tech elites leaving San Francisco threaten Silicon Valley's supremacy

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Post by wetpaws »

rpearl wrote: post #555

Nobody really brings up that the bay area is one of few places in the US where you can live without a car. Really, even compared to other "walkable" cities beyond a select few, similarly expensive places. Nobody really brings up that the bay area has better LGBT and other minority protections than anywhere in the US, either. Every time someone mentions cheap midwest cities I have to pull up https://crossingenres.com/…

>Nobody really brings up that the bay area is one of few places in the US where you can live without a car

I'm not sure what bay area are you talking about. The SF bay area is absolutely unmanageable without a car, unlike Portland or Seattle.

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Post by philwelch »

rpearl wrote: post #555

Nobody really brings up that the bay area is one of few places in the US where you can live without a car. Really, even compared to other "walkable" cities beyond a select few, similarly expensive places. Nobody really brings up that the bay area has better LGBT and other minority protections than anywhere in the US, either. Every time someone mentions cheap midwest cities I have to pull up https://crossingenres.com/…

At some point the basic maintenance of law and order (or conversely the refusal to do so) takes precedence over walkability or the local art and culture scene. As for tolerance, West Coast cities are rapidly developing a social and political milieu that is openly hostile towards the tech industry to a much greater degree than Austin or Miami (to name two examples from the article) are hostile to LGBT people.

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Post by arthurjj »

rpearl wrote: post #555

Nobody really brings up that the bay area is one of few places in the US where you can live without a car. Really, even compared to other "walkable" cities beyond a select few, similarly expensive places. Nobody really brings up that the bay area has better LGBT and other minority protections than anywhere in the US, either. Every time someone mentions cheap midwest cities I have to pull up https://crossingenres.com/…

> Nobody really brings up that the bay area is one of few places in the US where you can live without a car.

Is this true? I've only visited the bay for a total of 15 days but only SF and parts of Oakland seemed walkable.

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Post by lotsofpulp »

techelite wrote: post #368
ed_balls wrote: post #352

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Could you make a similar statement in 1970 about Detroit?

"Detroit" moved to the suburbs. Check out the statistics for Oakland county (and possibly macomb county for the blue collar workers). Toyota, GM, Ford, Chrysler, Nissan, VW, and all their parts suppliers(and the supplier parts suppliers) have at minimum a white collar office in south east Michigan. The event that caused the Exodus from Detroit was the Race Riots. You can Google that because I'm not touching that topi…

Most people I know would choose to live in a temperate climate with low humidity if they had the option. Detroit might have been economically useful due to certain modes of travel and location of population at the time, but that may not be relevant anymore.

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Post by [deleted] »

rpearl wrote: post #555

Nobody really brings up that the bay area is one of few places in the US where you can live without a car. Really, even compared to other "walkable" cities beyond a select few, similarly expensive places. Nobody really brings up that the bay area has better LGBT and other minority protections than anywhere in the US, either. Every time someone mentions cheap midwest cities I have to pull up https://crossingenres.com/…

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Post by mrzimmerman »

dpoochieni wrote: post #305
CountSessine wrote: post #253

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Maybe? But as things are, most of those generous employee salaries are parasitized by NIMBY landlords and property owners in SFBA who have selfishly engineered SF's horrendous housing supply shortage. If that value is going to be captured by anyone, I would much MUCH rather it be captured by Google shareholders, many of whom are employees and are at least partly responsible for the company's incredible success, than…

Not maybe, it is supply and demand. IF the supply of remote labor does increase then the share of economic profit going to capital also increases. (i.e. Employers keep more of the profits as opposed to sharing)

That's in an academically perfect economic system, and labor is not that. People have been able to get cheap engineering labor from India for decades and wages have still been climbing. Businesses choose who they hire for a variety of reasons and price is only a single factor.

Additionally, labor has a say in what they're paid as well and knowledge of what the average pay is for a given job in their country, region, or city. They can also talk to their fellow employees when they're hired and then push for a hire wage when they find out they're making less then everyone else doing the same job. Just because someone lives in Wisconsin doesn't mean they just accept any offer at a discount simply because HR has a bar chart says they should be paid 35% less then someone else.

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Post by cobbzilla »

carapace wrote: post #448
corytheboyd wrote: post #404

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It’s in part old money lobbying to keep their properties out of the shade. Not even joking, I think it’s really that petty. There is a huge negative NIMBY force in this city

There's some of that, but you gotta wonder why the Outer Sunset isn't coated in luxury condos? I think it's just that SF is very young, as cities go, and it's been the oddball city, you didn't move here in the past for a good job, you came here because you were weird, or queer, and wanted a place to fit in and be welcomed. All these normal folks with great jobs moving here is very new, 20-25 years at most.

> why the Outer Sunset isn't coated in luxury condos?

Because the Outer Sunset is cold, foggy and windy a lot of the time? Are the luxury condos are still going up in SOMA? It's definitely warmer there.

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Post by vmception »

corytheboyd wrote: post #521
vmception wrote: post #476

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I don't care I'm mocking the entire sentiment. Every single thing I've ever heard about how "SF used to be" sounds even more unappealing than what it is today. "Oh wow all the currently nice neighborhoods were sketchy ghettos? How quaint! " but at least artists could live there! As soon as you leave SF you will realize how weak and absurd the various generation's arguments about SF are.

Maybe it came across differently but I’m not so emotionally attached to this place that I can’t see past the romance tinted glasses. Any place you spend a good chunk of your life in will have an impact, one of those places was SF for me. I’m not defending anyone, or really standing on a platform of my own even. It was just a nice place to live for a while and it’s also nice to be moving on :)

That’s pragmatic, hope you find greener pastures

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Post by dmoy »

Apocryphon wrote: post #520
dmoy wrote: post #515

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It's not as pronounced here in WA as it is in say Nevada. But, things that I see in WA, off the top of my head (not all government policy): 1 - anti-housing like you say. You see lots of signs in my neighborhood wishing against more-dense housing, despite (relatively) astronomical pricing. At least in Seattle, we do have an issue where we're constrained by water so there isn't a lot of places to build that aren't ver…

What's wrong with heat lamps for outdoor dining, especially when it's cold?

Like I said that might be just me with a personal pet peeve

But it is crazy inefficient to pump heat into the outdoors. It's not as inefficient in most parts of california, even northern california. But when you move north it gets down under 40... (In the Midwest where it gets below 0, it's complete lunacy)

It's a weird thing to be simultaneously in favor of environmental controls and trying to raise awareness for climate change (and doing things in Seattle like banning the use of natural gas for heating?), while also being totally ok with heating the outside for dining.

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