What is the energy expended on training GPT-3? Eager to know the upsides of such models. The environmental and social impacts of tech are more direct and mainstream in today’s world.
We read the paper that forced Timnit Gebru out of Google
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#32I have a genuine question: If a person of color (I am myself non-white) is not performing, what does it take to fire them without the entire world playing the race card on you? Are we creating a society that makes it impossible to fire a person of color? You know there are bad apples in every race, right? How do we handle such scenarios? Seems unfair to me, myself being a person of color - I don't want the world to t…
You’re going to be downvoted, not because of your questions, but because you decided to put “please bring the downvotes” at the end of your comment. Why would you undermine yourself by sticking such an antagonistic comment at the end of your post?
I removed it. I know its going to be downvoted though. Because it is going against the grain on HN. But, I am being respectful.
We've created an atmosphere of fear. I don't feel comfortable voicing my opinions even after being anonymous on the internet. That's pretty fucked up.
Re: We read the paper that forced Timnit Gebru out of Google
#33Is this what esteemed PhD AI ethicists spend their time on? It sounds like a useless grad school paper. I think much less of everyone now.
The mistake was expecting much from “PhD AI ethicist” - a title Orwell accidentally left out.
Medical ethics is a serious subject, and then there was Asilomar on the ethics of genetic engineering. Just because this AI ethicist isn't one, it doesn't follow the field is worthless.
Re: We read the paper that forced Timnit Gebru out of Google
#34I have a genuine question: If a person of color (I am myself non-white) is not performing, what does it take to fire them without the entire world playing the race card on you? Are we creating a society that makes it impossible to fire a person of color? You know there are bad apples in every race, right? How do we handle such scenarios? Seems unfair to me, myself being a person of color - I don't want the world to t…
Yes because this happens everytime a PoC is fired. Every single PoC who is fired gets this media attention.
I think it is causing a reverse effect. It's going to create more racist behavior from employers - "If we cannot fire a PoC or some minority, let's not even bother hiring them in the first place."
This is not good.
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#35Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yes because this happens everytime a PoC is fired. Every single PoC who is fired gets this media attention.
I think it is causing a reverse effect. It's going to create more racist behavior from employers - "If we cannot fire a PoC or some minority, let's not even bother hiring them in the first place." This is not good.
That is also, in fact, illegal. And it's not very hard to realize someone is doing that.
Re: We read the paper that forced Timnit Gebru out of Google
#36Earlier quoted context omitted.
The mistake was expecting much from “PhD AI ethicist” - a title Orwell accidentally left out.
Medical ethics is a serious subject, and then there was Asilomar on the ethics of genetic engineering. Just because this AI ethicist isn't one, it doesn't follow the field is worthless.
I’m going to stand by my post even though AI ethics should be a genuine field. Call me cynical.
Re: We read the paper that forced Timnit Gebru out of Google
#37> A version of Google’s language model, BERT, which underpins the company’s search engine, produced 1,438 pounds of CO2 equivalent in Strubell’s estimate So... they're saying it used about $100 worth of electricity. [ https://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.php?id=74&t=11 ] [ https://www.statista.com/statistics/190680/us-industrial-con... ]
I find these CO2 arguments from model training extremely misleading. If this is what you care about, why don't you actually try to make electricity cleaner. Realistic, that's a much more effective way to address this tiny issue, together with the grand total of 50% of humanity's CO2 emissions on top. To me it always seems like virtue signalling, showing that you "care", while not having to actually make any realistic…
Of course.
Wasn't Google prioritizing green energy for their datacenters?
Re: We read the paper that forced Timnit Gebru out of Google
#38Earlier quoted context omitted.
You’re going to be downvoted, not because of your questions, but because you decided to put “please bring the downvotes” at the end of your comment. Why would you undermine yourself by sticking such an antagonistic comment at the end of your post?
I removed it. I know its going to be downvoted though. Because it is going against the grain on HN. But, I am being respectful. We've created an atmosphere of fear. I don't feel comfortable voicing my opinions even after being anonymous on the internet. That's pretty fucked up.
Considering a Pennsylvania law maker made fake Twitter accounts to write "as a gay person", when you start saying you're a non PoC and conflating what happened with Timnit to "firing badly performing PoC"s you do not at all sound genuine.
There is no way to prove you are actually PoC. And even if you did, it's incredibly unrelated to the matter at hand.
No one has even claimed she was fired for bad performance and dozens of Google employees have said in no part of their process was academic rigor taken into account.
What you're doing is the literal definition of concern trolling.
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#39I have a genuine question: If a person of color (I am myself non-white) is not performing, what does it take to fire them without the entire world playing the race card on you? Are we creating a society that makes it impossible to fire a person of color? You know there are bad apples in every race, right? How do we handle such scenarios? Seems unfair to me, myself being a person of color - I don't want the world to t…
> what does it take to fire them without the entire world playing the race card on you?
A workplace that isn't hostile to people of color and evidence of the cause of dismissal
Re: We read the paper that forced Timnit Gebru out of Google
#40Dr Gebru's research AFAICT shines a valuable light on some interesting ethical problems. Yet the response so far from Google and even HN has been one of censorship and suppression of Dr Gebru's free speech. How can we reconcile free speech and Google's right of review to her research?