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AMD CPU sales skyrocket with Ryzen 5000 launch, leaving Intel in the dust

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Re: AMD CPU sales skyrocket with Ryzen 5000 launch, leaving Intel in the dust

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Post by kasabali »

fgonzag wrote: post #221
snazz wrote: post #9

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I have a hard time believing that most purchasers of high-end consumer CPUs wouldn't use a discrete GPU. What's the use-case you're envisioning where an integrated GPU is a good use of die space?

A developer's machine doesn't really require a lot of graphic horsepower, as long as it can drive multiple high resolution monitors. I see the use case at least, but I agree that I rather AMD use the die space for a faster CPU and release cheap (sub $100) and low power graphics cards with multiple display outputs.

> rather AMD use the die space for a faster CPU

They don't have to use die space for it. CPU cores are in a separate die already. They can easily slap a Vega 3 IC (which they already have the designs for) alongside the 12nm I/O die.

> release cheap (sub $100) and low power graphics cards with multiple display outputs.

The problem is they're not doing that, either.

Last time they released a "low" end GPU was 5 years ago with RX 550. And it wasn't actually low-end, price-wise (It had $80-100 MSRP and never got cheaper thanks to crypto miners)

Re: AMD CPU sales skyrocket with Ryzen 5000 launch, leaving Intel in the dust

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Post by oblio »

wazoox wrote: post #103
ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #28

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>Ryzen 5 IdeaPad S540 Too bad that, like most Ryzen laptops, it only has a HDMI 1.4 port just like every Lidl/Aldi discount bin laptop from 2012, so you can't get 60Hz at 4K on your external monitor, which is laughable for a device that costs almost a thousand bucks. HDMI 2.0 devices have been on the market since like 2016 already. I don't know why all OEMs gimp the Ryzen variants like this. It's either they have slo…

I have no much use for a 4K display, I don't own any (I'm both myopic and old anyway). in fact for me the worst point is that it could have a 1920x1200 panel, but carries a FHD one instead, with a large useless black band below, too bad.

If you have bad eyesight, you actually want a high DPI display. You crank up the scaling to 200% and have images that are the same size but much sharper.

Re: AMD CPU sales skyrocket with Ryzen 5000 launch, leaving Intel in the dust

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Post by koffiezet »

JoshTko wrote: post #189
asdfasgasdgasdg wrote: post #95

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Good problem to have from the perspective of AMD shareholders.

Not necessarily. These deals were probably negotiated two plus years ago and are probably much much lower margin than their current CPU and GPUs. AMD needed console deals in order to fund some of their R&D but they are unlikely to make a ton of profit from them.

I'm pretty sure they'll get pretty good rates at TSMC for booking that much capacity, which means higher margins on their own products.

Re: AMD CPU sales skyrocket with Ryzen 5000 launch, leaving Intel in the dust

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Post by hackerfromthefu »

eikenberry wrote: post #222
katsura wrote: post #39

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I noticed that as well. Either the build quality is questionable, some hardware elements, or the screen itself. Somehow it seems like there isn't any real AMD option that a self-respecting dev could buy. By the time AMD laptops catch up, M1 will leave everybody in the dust.

Lenovo has several AMD options in the Thinkpad lineup. Personally I'm eyeing an T14 but am really putting it off as I'm hoping System76 actually gets their in-house designed laptops available as I'd like to see those before pulling the trigger on yet another Lenovo.

Screen quality on these is pretty bad

Re: AMD CPU sales skyrocket with Ryzen 5000 launch, leaving Intel in the dust

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Post by hackerfromthefu »

vvillena wrote: post #101
mikepurvis wrote: post #45

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I can't find it listed on the website, but does it really not have a USB-C/Thunderbolt port? My XPS connects out to a dock via USB-C that then goes to two displays, one on HDMI and the other on displayport. I assumed this kind of setup was fairly standard, but that's awful if Intel is using their muscle to prevent it on non-Intel HW.

I'm writing this from a Ryzen-powered Thinkpad connected to a 4K display via USB-C. That Ideapad doesn't seem to support USB-C video output, so the probable reason is market segmentation. They probably want to make the people who want external displays buy a Thinkpad or a Legion.

I think that has usb 3.2 gen 1 so only 5Gbs, but that can still support 4k @ 60hz with the right usb hub, maybe via displaylink compression

Re: AMD CPU sales skyrocket with Ryzen 5000 launch, leaving Intel in the dust

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Post by hackerfromthefu »

leaveyou wrote: post #56
war1025 wrote: post #36

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> so you can't get 60Hz at 4K on your external monitor Maybe my eyes just aren't that good, but I really can't see why I would need 4k over standard HD, which gives me plenty of screen real estate and a perfectly fine picture.

Many IT companies provide their employees with a two screen setup and more recently with the availability of Ultrawide screens you can replace 2 screens (1920 x 1080) with one ultrawide (3440 x 1440) and the first thing you notice is that HDMI 1.4 can't feed the ultrawide at 60Hz and to make it work you need to make some ugly hacks and downstep the refresh rate to 30Hz even though the monitor supports 75hz native ref…

I think you can hit 50hz not 30 on hdmi 1.4

Re: AMD CPU sales skyrocket with Ryzen 5000 launch, leaving Intel in the dust

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Post by hackerfromthefu »

distances wrote: post #216
kllrnohj wrote: post #125

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TB3's display output is just displayport. Identical to displayport over USB-C. You're only giving up the data part of TB3.

TB3 is 40Gbps, USB-C 3.2 10Gbps. 4K@60Hz is possible over USB-C but 4K@120+Hz only with TB3 AFAIK (or dedicated DP cable of course).

USB-C 3.2 comes in 5Gbps, 10Gbs and 20Gbs variants, called Gen 1, Gen 2, and Gen 2x2 respectively

Re: AMD CPU sales skyrocket with Ryzen 5000 launch, leaving Intel in the dust

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Post by hackerfromthefu »

m12k wrote: post #60
katsura wrote: post #14

There are still no XPS level laptops available with Ryzen CPUs, which makes me so sad. I'd like to upgrade my work machine but I'd prefer not to buy Intel at this time.

Have you considered an Asus Zephyrus G14? It comes with a Ryzen 9 4900HS and Linus (Tech Tips) seemed very impressed with it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYqG31V4qtA

Omg that keyboard, what are they doing :(

Re: AMD CPU sales skyrocket with Ryzen 5000 launch, leaving Intel in the dust

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Post by labawi »

eloff wrote: post #180
usrusr wrote: post #129

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Compile time impact is a very non-linear thing. There's a narrow band that could be called the distraction threshold. An investment in faster hardware will give very small returns if you are already below that range and only moderate returns when so far above that the investments only gets you a little closer. But when the speedup crosses that narrow band or at least significant parts of it, it's a night and day diff…

Once it goes over about twenty seconds for me, I'm switching tasks or checking my email (or worse, HN.) Keeping that compile time down is critical to being productive.

And the 24 Core 128G RAM machines are how we get bloated software...

(not blaming anyone in particular)

Re: AMD CPU sales skyrocket with Ryzen 5000 launch, leaving Intel in the dust

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Post by fmajid »

ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #208
fmajid wrote: post #116

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The Huawei Mate 14 2020 AMD is an outstanding machine, with a 3:2 display that has the same vertical space as a 16" 16:9, and a 4800H, and a solid all-metal chassis (only 16GB RAM, though). It's available in the UK, unfortunately with their god-awful UK QWERTY layout. The big problem is 4800H availability. I gave up waiting for the Tuxedo Pulse 14 with it, and got a M1 Macbook Air instead.

>god-awful UK QWERTY layout Mate, zou havenät seen the German lazout .

The UK keyboard sits in the uncanny valley where it superficially looks like US-ANSI, then you realize the tilde (essential character for a UNIX-er) has been replaced by the negation sign ¬ (who even uses that?) and the @ and # signs relegated to Outer Mongolia.
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