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Re: AMD CPU sales skyrocket with Ryzen 5000 launch, leaving Intel in the dust

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Post by xbmcuser » Thu, Dec 03, 2020, 6:09 PM UTC

scionthefly wrote: post #153

Yeah, I've been trying to buy components for a build for the past two weeks. No 5600x (or even 3600). No nvidia cards at decent prices. I'm guessing the etherium 2 launch just drained the whole supply chain.

Ah no computer sales were already at black friday/holiday season levels for the last 4-5 months. Chip supply already couldn't meet the demand and then you got some big generational advances in gpus Amd/nvidia and cpus Amd add new generation consoles so the demand went through the roof. The annual production capacity is for 1000 but the demand now 1500-2000 so the shortages are here to stay for at least another 6 months to a year.

Re: AMD CPU sales skyrocket with Ryzen 5000 launch, leaving Intel in the dust

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Post by SomeoneFromCA » Thu, Dec 03, 2020, 6:09 PM UTC

me_me_me wrote: post #27

kllrnohj wrote: post #13

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It's mostly that there isn't a cheap discrete GPU worth buying. So if you're doing a software development rig, where yes those 12 or 16 cores will be put to good use, you're stuck with spending $100+ on a new GPU that'll spend its entire life idling or scrounging the used markets. The low-end discretes are crap rebranded from 5+ years ago. Which means outdated display connections and bad hardware video decoders.

Nobody cares. That's really it. There is too few people that would want it, therefore its fiscally irresponsible to offer it. Is $100 really that much? Get a second hand gpu from 5 years ago for less. Those don't have issue with video though you might have to look for right connectors.

If you want to get into corporate market, no company would spend extra $100 on GPU if you can have it integrated. I'd say vast majority of consumers really do not want separate GPU. I personally am very happy with Intel HDs on all my computers.

Re: AMD CPU sales skyrocket with Ryzen 5000 launch, leaving Intel in the dust

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Post by SomeoneFromCA » Thu, Dec 03, 2020, 6:11 PM UTC

wmf wrote: post #164

eddieoz wrote: post #2

What is better? Ryzen 5000 or Core i7-10700K?

5800X is faster than 10700K and 3700X is better value than 10700K. It's pointless to buy Intel.

I do not need external GPU. I want integrated. So intels are better value to me, keeping in mind that intel MOBOs are alsos cheaper.

Re: AMD CPU sales skyrocket with Ryzen 5000 launch, leaving Intel in the dust

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Post by SomeoneFromCA » Thu, Dec 03, 2020, 6:12 PM UTC

schmorptron wrote: post #74

dhruvdh wrote: post #16

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While I agree with your sentiment adding a simple Vega 8 to their CPUs is a lot more work and expense than you'd think. They have a thing going where they manufacture Zen core chiplets, and that put together X number of chiplets to make a processor. This is very attractive in terms of cost. As best I know they don't have a GPU chiplet, and so they can't just add one to a CPU. All their processors containing both CPU…

I wonder if there's a way for motherboard manufacturers to add an integrated GPU to the boards today. I think I remember seeing some nvidia chip on a really old motherboard once, but maybe that was before a lot of the PCIE stuff was moved directly into the CPU die?

Some Chinese frankenboards for Xeons have very crappy videocards onboard.

Re: AMD CPU sales skyrocket with Ryzen 5000 launch, leaving Intel in the dust

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Post by toast0 » Thu, Dec 03, 2020, 6:16 PM UTC

dijit wrote: post #114

KptMarchewa wrote: post #46

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You can't connect 2+ 4k/60fps monitors to it, which is the only thing I expect from non-gaming GPU, besides being silent.

Ok. But there are two things that you want to be true then “onboard graphics are a requirement” and “it needs to do dual screens at 4k60” I still don’t hear an argument here for having it all in one package. There are APUs in the Ryzen series, they perform worse, but everything is a trade off, you can’t have your cake and eat it. You can get new and adequate GPUs for less than 100eur which will do what you want and “…

> There are APUs in the Ryzen series, they perform worse, but everything is a trade off, you can’t have your cake and eat it.

From what I've seen, the APUs perform pretty similar to the CPUs they're derived from. The thing is the APUs are the last thing AMD releases, and the model numbers are confusing, and Zen2 APUs aren't widely available. Zen+ quad core isn't very exciting anymore, but it's the APU you can buy at retail in the US.

Re: AMD CPU sales skyrocket with Ryzen 5000 launch, leaving Intel in the dust

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Post by ginko » Thu, Dec 03, 2020, 6:17 PM UTC

oblio wrote: post #89

bcrosby95 wrote: post #80

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This happened with the Nvidia 2xxx cards too. I think it's less that they can't keep up with demand, and more that they're "launching" earlier in the production process. In the past they would have just launched later.

It's also a marketing ploy. It sounds much, much better when all you keep hearing is "out of stock", "sold out". It creates "fear of missing out" (FOMO). You know, like in real life when you see a long queue in front of a shop.

But then by the time they are in stock a successor is already around the corner.

Re: AMD CPU sales skyrocket with Ryzen 5000 launch, leaving Intel in the dust

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Post by xbmcuser » Thu, Dec 03, 2020, 6:17 PM UTC

ghostpepper wrote: post #64

justapassenger wrote: post #37

This is as clickbait as it gets. AMD is doing extremely well, but you need more data than sales from one random retailer, to claim they’re leaving intel in the dust.

If this article is to be believed, AMD is outselling Intel by five to one (84% of sales vs 16%). Somehow I think this would be bigger news than one person's post on Reddit (which is the "source" techradar cites as the basis for this entire article)

On Amazon Newegg etc 4 out 5 top selling processors were Amd for the last 6-8 months even before Ryzen 5000 series so in retail Amd 5-1 against intel is not a shock. Even for Oem's a year ago you could barely see an Amd build now days at least half or more are Amd. But the biggest indicator for me that Intel has started hurting is what Intel is saying to the press. If intel sales were not hurting they would not need to do some of the shit they are saying to the press.

Re: AMD CPU sales skyrocket with Ryzen 5000 launch, leaving Intel in the dust

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Post by anyfoo » Thu, Dec 03, 2020, 6:17 PM UTC

sandworm101 wrote: post #155

mdoms wrote: post #142

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This is "no one drives in New York, there's too much traffic" levels of logic.

Not really. There is an infinite available of cars that may be driven into NY. There is only a finite number of CPUs available. I have money and want a CPU but cannot get one. I doubt there is anyone in NY who cannot find a car for sale.

The counterpart in this analogy is not the cars themselves, but the capacity of the streets to hold the cars.

Re: AMD CPU sales skyrocket with Ryzen 5000 launch, leaving Intel in the dust

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Post by JoshTko » Thu, Dec 03, 2020, 6:17 PM UTC

asdfasgasdgasdg wrote: post #95

0x64 wrote: post #92

As far as manufacturing capacity goes, AMD's GPU and CPU manufacturing is incredibly constrained due to the sheer volume of console SoCs they have to pump out. I believe 80% of their N7 wafer capacity at TSMC is currently dedicated to console SoCs, the remaining 20% being dedicated to CPU and GPU dies.

Good problem to have from the perspective of AMD shareholders.

Not necessarily. These deals were probably negotiated two plus years ago and are probably much much lower margin than their current CPU and GPUs. AMD needed console deals in order to fund some of their R&D but they are unlikely to make a ton of profit from them.

Re: AMD CPU sales skyrocket with Ryzen 5000 launch, leaving Intel in the dust

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Post by Retric » Thu, Dec 03, 2020, 6:18 PM UTC

kllrnohj wrote: post #128

Retric wrote: post #97

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Even cheap 4K monitors like Samsung UR55 (260$) can handle DVI. You can go DVI to HDMI with either a 5$ adapter or a single DVI to HDMI cable. Only real difference is DVI doesn’t carry sound, but as long as one monitor has sound that’s irrelevant.

No it doesn't: "Number of DVI inputs 0" ( https://www.bestbuy.com/site/samsung-ur55-series-28-ips-4k-u... ) And the GT 1030 is only single-link DVI, not dual-link, so you can't even drive 2560x1600 with it. So it tops out at 2x 1080p monitors (or 1 high-res + 1 1080p secondary, whatever). Literally worse than GPUs from 10 years ago. Which since all I want a GT 1030 for is to drive monitors makes no sense at all.

I meant it was backwards compatible with the protocol not that it had the physical connector on it. Even dual link DVI is rather bandwidth limited when you’re talking 4K resolution so having the physical port would be largely pointless.

But, again the cheapest dual 4K/60fps video card costs more than buying 2 of the cheapest HDMI 2.0+ cards. Which is why graph is card companies don’t really cater to that market. Unless your case and motherboard only has slots for a single card it’s effectively a non issue.