This is an insane experiment on humanity. First, Big Pharma tried to sell us Remdesivir, an expensive drug that does not work and is potentially dangerous. Now, they're trying to sell us a rushed vaccine that has only been tested for a short time on a few tens of thousands people, and they have made deals so they're not liable for side-effects. All of this for a virus that has something like 0.05% mortality rate.
Pfizer Covid vaccine approved for use next week in UK
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Re: Pfizer Covid vaccine approved for use next week in UK
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Why do you believe this out of curiosity? Every single "long term covid" symptom study I've read are case studies. The UK one from the publication in Charlottesville covered 60 distinct people and they were all either high risk workers or over 55. We don't know what "permanent damage" is actually happening. I remember having pneumonia in the 90s and it took my lungs over 3 months to recover, and that's from a normal…
For me personally the unknowns of such a new virus mean that the existence of the case studies would be enough to be concerned. And the strongest case is made by the fact that this virus' closest relative known to infect humans has caused lasting damage to people with cases that lead to hospitalization: https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-02598-6 "Evidence from people infected with other coronaviruses suggests…
It's important to remember that SARS was a lot more deadly that COVID-19. I am not at all surprised such a high percentage of people suffered long term lung damage given how virulent it was. Case fatality was somewhere around 10%.
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Science doesn't have all the answers. My partner recently got into a heated debate with a pharmaceutical company she was working for because they wanted something added to their standards of care document for a rare genetic disorder they developed a therapy for. She couldn't find a study to backup the claims that the medical team wanted to make in the document, but the lead doctor said that if this wasn't included, t…
> People are dying now But not a lot. That's what's fascinating. At least in the US, over 95% of fatalities are people over 55. We're at 200k ~ 300k deaths for the year in the US (and I think there is reason to believe this is an overestimate, not an underestimate). That's lower than heart disease and cancer (500~600k yearly). I doubt we'll even approach those numbers by March. Science is slow because it needs to be…
> At least in the US, over 95% of fatalities are people over 55
I'll never understand people who say this, thinking it somehow proves their point or something. My parents are nearly 60, and easily have 20 more years of time with me and their grandkids. Why are we okay with that?
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I don't think it is fear mongering. While the health institutes have access to the data, I don't. I don't think anyone on hacker news can make many intelligent statements about side effects, yet, though the press releases claim that they are similar to what is typical of other vaccines.
> the press releases claim that they are similar to what is typical of other vaccines. They are much, much, worse but typically subside in a day and at most two. The side effects are bad enough that there is worry people won't show up for the second dose. Still going to have it, myself.
What is your source on this?
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Worth noting that COVID-19 probably triggers GBS in some people (like many infections). So maybe the vaccine triggers GBS in rare cases, but the disease appears to also sometimes cause long term problems (neurological and otherwise). 1976 was potentially problematic because there was a massive immunization program because of fears of a pandemic, but H1N1 was not actually spreading. 2020 is obviously a different story…
I do not want the vaccine, but it might be mandatory here in Eastern Europe. My family member was tested positive, and I lived with him, we were under quarantine. No symptoms, ever! I do not want to the vaccine, damn it.
I don't want to have to be sober to drive my car on public roadways, and yet, here I am, acknowledging that I have some basic responsibility for the safety of people around me.
This approach is incredibly selfish. Would you pursue it if you were held responsible for consequences of that behaviour, as drunk drivers are?
Re: Pfizer Covid vaccine approved for use next week in UK
#556Re: Pfizer Covid vaccine approved for use next week in UK
#557Earlier quoted context omitted.
I suggest you donate blood via the Red Cross [1] and get a free Covid antibody test. The presence of those antibodies should be a good indicator of whether you are still immune and that will help you decide whether or not you need the vaccine. You can do this every month or two and run your own experiment to determine the length of post-infection immunity. [1] https://www.redcrossblood.org/donate-blood/dlp/covid-19-a…
Thanks for the tip! I'm in the UK though, so American Red Cross doesn't help me much, and it doesn't seem like NHS does similar testing according to https://www.blood.co.uk/news-and-campaigns/news-and-statemen...
Nuffield will do you a private antibody test for about £60.
Re: Pfizer Covid vaccine approved for use next week in UK
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The 'beta' test already happened. Tens of thousands of people have proven it safe and effective. Haven't you been following the news? Selfishly, I guess we should be happy that there is an anti-vaxxer sentiment; it means the rest of us will get our vaccines faster.
proven it safe and effective Having worked in the pharmaceutical industry, if I ever said my FDA approved drug was "safe and effective" I'd have the FDA dropping the hammer on me. The FDA does not prove a drug is safe . No drug is 100% safe. The FDA determines whether the risks of the treatment are outweighed by the benefit . I have no doubt that additional safety signals will pop up from Covid vaccines as the treate…
Using a laptop isn't safe either. It's batteries might literally explode in your face.
Happens extremely rarely though.
Re: Pfizer Covid vaccine approved for use next week in UK
#559This is an insane experiment on humanity. First, Big Pharma tried to sell us Remdesivir, an expensive drug that does not work and is potentially dangerous. Now, they're trying to sell us a rushed vaccine that has only been tested for a short time on a few tens of thousands people, and they have made deals so they're not liable for side-effects. All of this for a virus that has something like 0.05% mortality rate.
The mortality rate is much higher than that, in the US it's 1.9% based off the individuals identified. And that does not capture the significant amount of people with severe, long standing side effects. Many people have had months of decreased lung capacity and cardiovascular problems post covid recovery.
Beyond all that, these drugs are being rolled out to the most at risk group, those that have a mortality rate higher than any risk rate that was not captured by a smaller sample size of the test. Unless you're elderly or a medical worker, you won't have the option to take the vaccine until millions of other do. I'm getting pretty sick of you people whining about nonsense.