I'm not a slack power user, but I feel that it's a bit like IRC but with a fancy (and slow) GUI wrapped around it. Certainly I am wrong, but how wrong?
Salesforce Signs Definitive Agreement to Acquire Slack
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Re: Salesforce Signs Definitive Agreement to Acquire Slack
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Unpopular HN opinion: Teams doesn't suck. It's not as pretty/lovable as Slack, but it has an additional level of organization (each team gets their own set of channels), you can add tabs of related apps/sites to each channel, etc. As far as I could tell having used both simultaneously for a few years, Teams is a complete superset of Slack.
The way rooms is organized is really annoying. It's not just a straight list of chatrooms like ... every other chat app on the planet. The rooms also show what appears to be IMs for group chats (the style/UI) instead of a chatroom. The calendar integration is nice and the video chats are good, but The Linux version of their client just stops pulling audio all the time unless I do a `killall -9 pulseaudio` and restart…
> It's not just a straight list of chatrooms like ... every other chat app on the planet.
Yes, it's odd. For those who haven't used Teams, it defaults to showing you a team's channels you use most frequently (I guess? I never quite understood the logic) and then you have to click to see the full list. Maddening.
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Over what? Teams is currently eating Slacks lunch.
I'm so tired of hearing this argument. The amount of revenue generated by customers who use only Microsoft Teams without an Office365 subscription is exactly $0 [1]. MS gives you exactly 2 options to get teams: 1. Free 2. Included as part of Office365. Teams is currently eatings Slacks lunch, but the lunch was paid for by a corporate IT guy who switched to Office365 so he could lay off some IT admins and save some mo…
We don't have _less_ staff due to migrating from Exchange Server to EXO -- quite the opposite (and the remainder of the M365 stack has significantly grown IT, as well).
Re: Salesforce Signs Definitive Agreement to Acquire Slack
#304I'm somewhat surprised that Amazon didn't end up acquiring Slack, considering that the major thing they are missing compared to Microsoft is productivity tools. If they had purchased Dropbox and Slack they could've gotten a foothold rather quickly and slowed down one of Microsoft's major selling points (you already use Office, why not Azure?). Discord could be another interesting company in the chat space, as I'm sur…
Amazon pays under market for acquisitions while sf pays above market. Unclear if slack would ever grow revenue to the level sf is offering at, nor if shrinking set of alternative high-payers like cisco/google/other will, so cashing out while they can at such a high level makes sense.
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Teams suck. Google Chat? What’s that? I’ll stick with Slack.
I don't disagree, but unless you're at a startup you probably don't get to choose. It's some executive choosing, and saying we saved a boatload by moving to the app that's included with our productivity suite is enticing.
Exactly. At companies that are large customers, employees don't get to choose. You get Google Chat integrated into your email inbox, and connections to Slack are blocked.
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#306Whatever happened to matrix.org/vector/riot.im/element.io? (side note: most confusing branding ever :-/). Element seemed to be picking up some momentum a few months back. There was recent news that they acquired gitter too [1]. These days I only hear about slack exodus and discord this and discord that, though. If I get it right, from all the group messengers that appeared around 6 years ago, the only one with an ope…
I joined Element about a month ago (we're hiring! https://element.io/careers ) and now that I'm on the inside, I'm genuinely optimistic about our trajectory. We're not taking over the world overnight, but we are steadily growing. From a business perspective, data sovereignty and end-to-end encryption seem to be really potent differentiators for certain market segments, especially government. To wit, the French govern…
The latest open source project that caught my eye in terms of the chosen chat technology was Servo, which has chosen Zulip [0]. Hopefully, in a not too distant future, we'll start seeing more communities opting for Matrix?
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What notifications? They're all off, we talk 90% async. And it's impossible to see a thread that you don't know about in their UI.
If everyone's talking asynchronously, why not use email?
- talking async is a lot less friction than sending emails
- you have your info pre separated in channels instead of needing to sort your emails into folders
- you can pin important data to the channel for future reference
- even sending small files is less complicated via a chat app
- you can get up to date just by scrolling up a bit
That's all I could think of in 2 minutes.
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My company uses mattermost for over 100k employees.
Just curious - are you self-hosting, or using their SaaS product?
My company has a similar size, and we have a self-hosted Mattermost instance. We're switching away because the executives bought into another product but that's a different story, Mattermost works well at that size.
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I joined Element about a month ago (we're hiring! https://element.io/careers ) and now that I'm on the inside, I'm genuinely optimistic about our trajectory. We're not taking over the world overnight, but we are steadily growing. From a business perspective, data sovereignty and end-to-end encryption seem to be really potent differentiators for certain market segments, especially government. To wit, the French govern…
The latest open source project that caught my eye in terms of the chosen chat technology was Servo, which has chosen Zulip [0]. Hopefully, in a not too distant future, we'll start seeing more communities opting for Matrix? [0]: https://blog.servo.org/2020/11/17/servo-home/
Clearly we just need to get Zulip talking Matrix and we can all live together in one big {Zulip, Element, Gitter, IRC, XMPP} happy family :D
Edit: not forgetting XMPP via the actually-usable-these-days bifrost bridge! https://github.com/matrix-org/matrix-bifrost
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And integrate business twitch streams please, with company email footers always reading ‘don’t forget to sub to my stream’. Let the twisted fantasy play out where the business world lives like esports streamers and wow raiding guilds.
What will be the corporate version of the famous "Leeroy Jenkins" moment in WoW?
Edward Snowden