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Re: I Am Not Fat

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Post by qz2 »

chrisseaton wrote: post #89
qz2 wrote: post #85

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The diet is working. If you’re cheating then you need to fix you not the diet.

No a bad diet makes people vulnerable to cheating. A good diet helps you not cheat. That’s the whole goal in designing weight-loss diets! Help people reduce their calorie intake while not going mad or cheating. An otherwise brilliant diet that drives everyone to cheat is useless.

It's not a diet issue. It's a psychological issue. You have to fix both independently. One is not effective without the other.

Re: I Am Not Fat

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Post by chrisseaton »

qz2 wrote: post #111
chrisseaton wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No a bad diet makes people vulnerable to cheating. A good diet helps you not cheat. That’s the whole goal in designing weight-loss diets! Help people reduce their calorie intake while not going mad or cheating. An otherwise brilliant diet that drives everyone to cheat is useless.

It's not a diet issue. It's a psychological issue. You have to fix both independently. One is not effective without the other.

That’s just not how people work. Their weaknesses are exposed differently by different diets. That’s why people are encouraged to find the diet that works for them, and why diets are more than just absolute maths and science.

Re: I Am Not Fat

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Post by qz2 »

chrisseaton wrote: post #112
qz2 wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not a diet issue. It's a psychological issue. You have to fix both independently. One is not effective without the other.

That’s just not how people work. Their weaknesses are exposed differently by different diets. That’s why people are encouraged to find the diet that works for them, and why diets are more than just absolute maths and science.

That's where the point of failure is. Procrastination through finding the right diet rather than throwing science at it (backed up by our health authority here in the UK). It's easy to keep changing and pretending you're doing something than actually doing it and people are lazy and need to fix that first.

Re: I Am Not Fat

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Post by chrisseaton »

qz2 wrote: post #113
chrisseaton wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That’s just not how people work. Their weaknesses are exposed differently by different diets. That’s why people are encouraged to find the diet that works for them, and why diets are more than just absolute maths and science.

That's where the point of failure is. Procrastination through finding the right diet rather than throwing science at it (backed up by our health authority here in the UK). It's easy to keep changing and pretending you're doing something than actually doing it and people are lazy and need to fix that first.

> people are lazy and need to fix that first

That's what their diet plans are supposed to help them fix!

Re: I Am Not Fat

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Post by qz2 »

chrisseaton wrote: post #114
qz2 wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's where the point of failure is. Procrastination through finding the right diet rather than throwing science at it (backed up by our health authority here in the UK). It's easy to keep changing and pretending you're doing something than actually doing it and people are lazy and need to fix that first.

> people are lazy and need to fix that first That's what their diet plans are supposed to help them fix!

The diet plans are allowing them to remain being lazy which is a faulty outcome.

Re: I Am Not Fat

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Post by chrisseaton »

qz2 wrote: post #115
chrisseaton wrote: post #114

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> people are lazy and need to fix that first That's what their diet plans are supposed to help them fix!

The diet plans are allowing them to remain being lazy which is a faulty outcome.

I have absolutely no idea where you're coming from with this angle.

If people could just magically decide to be perfectly disciplined and motivated all the time, then we wouldn't need any diets would we? We'd just say 'great now just eat healthily all the time'. But people struggle to do that, so we have diet programmes to help them.

The diet plan is there to help work around the laziness and ill-discipline which is a natural and eternal part of being a flawed human being.

Re: I Am Not Fat

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Post by brusch »

qz2 wrote: post #106
renewiltord wrote: post #70

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Bariatric surgery is more effective than the pharmaceuticals for long-term weight loss AFAIK. Non-surgical intervention is slow in every form: lifestyle change, pharmaceuticals, all slow. Not going to name the drugs, sorry, but your doctor will know of them. He knows your situation better, so I'll leave it to him.

I know two people who had surgical intervention. It was a way out that they could put money into and make the problem go away. Both are fucking miserable and it ruined their lives. But no one tells those stories.

Care to elaborate ? Why did it ruin their lives ?

Re: I Am Not Fat

#118

Post by aogaili »

lazyasciiart wrote: post #99
aogaili wrote: post #95

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The strategy I used was based on the research by Dr. Jason Fung and the book Why we get fat https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/8727466-why-we-get-fat Also the countless many youtube videos on fasting how it got results. It is really hard to argue with facts.

The facts are that gazillions of people every year go on a crash diet with massive lifestyle change and lose significant amounts of weight, congratulations on joining this years cohort, and 90% of them will gain it back within two years of starting, because “how do I lose weight” is not actually a question people struggle with, it’s “how do I lose weight and keep it off forever”.

Yeah because they go back to their old habits..it make sense, but that doesn't mean they didn't lose weight.

If you want to lose weight for the long run you've to eliminate the environmental, habitual and emotional factors that resulted in gaining it in the first place.

Re: I Am Not Fat

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Post by mjbeswick »

coldtea wrote: post #84
mjbeswick wrote: post #3

If your aim is to lose body fat, than that's a terrible diet. If you want to lose body fat effectively, why not copy the diet of bodybuilders that get lean for a living!?

> why not copy the diet of bodybuilders that get lean for a living!? Because bodybuilders (a) also have strong wills in dietary matters and everyday regimen, (b) tend to follow complex diets strictly, (c) tend to get supplements, including non-healthy ones, (d) also do hard exercize to go along with the diet, (e) getting lean is basically what they do 24/7. So, yeah, if (a), (b), (c), (d), (e) being the same for some…

I agree totally agree you in that many people that are into bodybuilding are strong willed or rather drive by obsession, to stick to a strict diet.

Re: I Am Not Fat

#120

Post by aogaili »

lazyasciiart wrote: post #99
aogaili wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The strategy I used was based on the research by Dr. Jason Fung and the book Why we get fat https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/8727466-why-we-get-fat Also the countless many youtube videos on fasting how it got results. It is really hard to argue with facts.

The facts are that gazillions of people every year go on a crash diet with massive lifestyle change and lose significant amounts of weight, congratulations on joining this years cohort, and 90% of them will gain it back within two years of starting, because “how do I lose weight” is not actually a question people struggle with, it’s “how do I lose weight and keep it off forever”.

Also again I've lost fat (not any weight) and kept it, I don't want to be skinny I wanted to lose excess fat. The goal is not lose weight, it is to lose fat. I lost fat and gained muscle and kept those numbers, so where is the issue?
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