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Re: YouTube shadowbans video titled “The CIA is a Terrorist Organization”

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Post by forest_dweller »

pmiller2 wrote: post #272
forest_dweller wrote: post #261

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> Unless you live in America, yes, I do. No you don't and you can't do a damn thing about it. So do us a favour and get off your high horse. > And, maybe learn to read what people actually write, rather than putting your own spin on it. I frequently steelman the other side. So that isn't fair at all. > It was clear to me what was meant as well, and you didn't get it. I did get it. You want to make it about something…

I don't care if you're convinced of anything by me. You're obviously convinced of whatever ignorant beliefs you have about the US, already. That alone disqualifies you to talk about the origins of my country. Now, run along and spread your mistaken beliefs to someone who cares. I don't care what you think about the US, because I live here, an, you, apparently don't. You have authority to speak about the history of my…

> I don't care if you're convinced of anything by me. You're obviously convinced of whatever ignorant beliefs you have about the US, already. That alone disqualifies you to talk about the origins of my country. Now, run along and spread your mistaken beliefs to someone who cares. I don't care what you think about the US, because I live here, an, you, apparently don't. You have authority to speak about the history of my country, or what its become, until you've lived it.

I never claimed to know anything about your history or your country. What I've noticed was the usual perversion of history through the modern lens which does happen in my country in exactly the same manner. I can quite clearly recognise it.

As for "authority". I don't have to ask for your permission and I am glad that obviously annoys you considering your high handedness with me. It is quite funny that an American is soo against people speaking their mind.

> Oh, I'd consider brushing up on your reading skills, too. You clearly comprehend nothing that's going on in this thread, so stop pushing your distorted, delusional narrative. It doesn't play well here among actual Americans. Maybe there's a reason for that.

I know exactly what going on here thankyou. People having differing view points is the spice of life and why people like to converse. Marking those that don't agree with you as "distorted, delusional" won't play well in the long run.

Re: YouTube shadowbans video titled “The CIA is a Terrorist Organization”

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Post by coenhyde »

ksk wrote: post #273
coenhyde wrote: post #257

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>>We must bring the security to each individual endpoint. >Why? Why must we treat adults as children I am suggesting the opposite. Rather than treat adults as children and censoring what they can and can not see. I am suggesting we give them the skills to critically analyze input they receive. > that we have been entrusted with, and that it is our responsibility to give them 'mental medicine'? What makes our thinking…

>Why provide any education at all then? As a society it is our responsibility to skill the next generation with the skills they need to operate in our society. I believe critical thinking skills is one of these required skills. There are several views on education. It used to be that you went to school/college to be educated, but lately it seems like the schools are just places where you get trained so that you can g…

I think we're mostly on the same page.

> Personally, I don't think critical thinking skills can be taught in a school via a curriculum en-masse. It requires a personal approach tailored to each individual's needs based on their upbringing and cultural context.

Upbringing and cultural context are certainly heavy influences. But it is totally possible to teach / develop critical thinking skills in students. Instead of focusing on memorizing facts & information, we should focus on the techniques used to break down problems, seek evidence, extract alternate readings & motivations, etc. Easy. The problem is this stuff isn't taught in school, and if it is, it's only brushed over as a particular topic and not part of everything. This stuff needs to be embedded in the core operating system of our citizens.

Putting the fate of liberal democracies aside. I believe the economic activity lost from the under development and under capitalization on the potential of our populous is significant.

Re: YouTube shadowbans video titled “The CIA is a Terrorist Organization”

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Post by commentrix »

ikeboy wrote: post #40
commentrix wrote: post #35

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But I think it's "anti-American" to deliberately editorialize and misrepresent the police as illegally violent and biased, when the facts are otherwise: - black people kill black people far more than police or white people kill black people, but the dominant story about it is, police violence is at fault - police have to deal with 1000s of violent encounters with unstable and dangerous individuals every week, and asi…

"why isn't there as much outrage over the few dozen police killed every year as there is over the nearly 2k people killed by police?" There are roughly 20k violent deaths in the US every year. Almost 10% of those are police related. That's completely unacceptable to me, having looked at the actual numbers. https://www.thepublicdiscourse.com/2020/06/65309/ has the underlying sources and analysis here.

And how many of those could be avoided if people had acted in compliance with police orders, or had chose to not present themselves as a possible threat, or had not been breaking the law?

Unfortunately I think people do not take police seriously, and then falsely blame them when something goes bad as a result of their own mistakes. People, it seems, are forgetting their personal responsibility in interactions with police, as well as pretending that police authority is some made up flexible concept they can bend at their own will. That is the mindset of a lawbreaker, that people who are now otherwise law breakers fall into the trap of, directly as a result of these fabricated narratives of "police brutality". The worst case is they try to use the law and procedure they don't act like they respect, against the police to try to get loopholes for their own bad behavior, and then cry foul when that same law and procedure is used on them, by people given the duty to do such. Unsmart.

If you don't wish you be in situations where you are subject to police force, don't put yourself in such situations, and if you end up in such situations, comply with all police orders. Anything less than full and willing compliance, will raise more questions and the officers will register you as a potential threat.

It's not the time to show your anti-authoritarian streak, it's not edgy or cool in that context. It doesn't prove you are strong or smart, it just proves you are stupid. Your only instinct should be legal and physical self-preservation. If you don't act in your own interests, and then blame police when things don't go your way, you'd be better off learning to blame your own stupidity.

Everything here relates the present time, not the past, and to Westernized or rule of law countries, like China. If you are in a place where police are unfortunately corrupt, and likely to frame you or target you because of your background, or to extract a bribe, or as a favor to someone else, then leave those places immediately, and if you can't or won't, I don't have any advice for you. Hopefully the guidance here helps some people avoid bad consequences.

Re: YouTube shadowbans video titled “The CIA is a Terrorist Organization”

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Post by konjin »

jakelazaroff wrote: post #266
konjin wrote: post #132

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Rich blacks could vote in more states after independence than poor whites. And that remained the case for 50 years. Leading to the hilarious case where the first recognized black slave in the US was owned by a black man. Regardless, offices again had property and tax qualifications in virtually all states.

A de jure right to vote often did not translate to actual access to the franchise. States often enacted barriers such as poll taxes and literacy tests, exempting anyone whose grandfather was registered to vote (i.e. not Black people, whose grandparents had been enslaved). Such discriminatory practices were not actually outlawed until the Voting Rights Act was passed a full century later.

That's nice, but if someone has a right they can't exercise they are still more privileged than someone who doesn't have that right.

Not to mention that the target of those laws were, now considered white, immigrants rather than the always minority blacks in the north.

Re: YouTube shadowbans video titled “The CIA is a Terrorist Organization”

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Post by gtsop »

keymone wrote: post #254
gtsop wrote: post #236

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Asking out of curiosiry. Do you have an contemporary actors in mind that operate on the same level as CIA? Because it seems to me like there is much concern about other "conpetitors", but I do not know of any. Not to be missinterpreted, I don't say there aren't spy agencies from other countries trying to do similar things, I'm saying I am not aware of any that operate on a similar scale and range as CIA. Interested i…

KGB did not go anywhere since USSR’s collapse. They literally operate a mafia superpower with nuclear capacity right now in form of Russia. They are also more sophisticated in terms of people operations since they’ve been at it for quite a bit longer and they were never restrained by even a facade of moral responsibility USA places upon itself by pretending to be democratic and leader of the free world. Whatever Chin…

Again, I appreciate the existence of others. Do we have any knowledge of them doing what CIA has? Have they organized dozens of coups on the other side of the globe or something?

Re: YouTube shadowbans video titled “The CIA is a Terrorist Organization”

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Post by gtsop »

therealdrag0 wrote: post #278
gtsop wrote: post #108

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I saw the video as well. > First of all, the video uploader is promoting a competitor to YouTube. This is not disclaimed clearly. You are starting of by literally the last thing on the video which is the promotion of the uploader's income stream, a standard practice for full-time youtubers... to prove what? > The video goes over criticism to the CIA, which are fair enough. But it takes some things as axioms, for exam…

> literally the last thing on the video The video starts, "This video brought to you by Nebula, the streaming platform for content providers like you and me."

Apologies, my mind completely erased that for some reason. Although this detail is false the validity of my point still stands. The creator's sponsor doesn't have anything to do with the action youtube has taken nor with the content of the video.There is nothing to be prooved by pointing that out.

Re: YouTube shadowbans video titled “The CIA is a Terrorist Organization”

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Post by bufferoverflow »

3663288262 wrote: post #16

Speaking as a lurker, this seems basically like what people have been asking for for awhile now including here. I remember seeing numerous top comment chains over the last four years (and of course before that but not here) that all boiled down to very eloquent defenses of censoring fringe thinkers. Who knows, maybe in theory land there's no reason we can't have it both ways. But it seems to me that in the real world…

More importantly, thinking that Youtube can be an efficient arbiter of truth is delusional.

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Post by keymone »

gtsop wrote: post #285
keymone wrote: post #254

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KGB did not go anywhere since USSR’s collapse. They literally operate a mafia superpower with nuclear capacity right now in form of Russia. They are also more sophisticated in terms of people operations since they’ve been at it for quite a bit longer and they were never restrained by even a facade of moral responsibility USA places upon itself by pretending to be democratic and leader of the free world. Whatever Chin…

Again, I appreciate the existence of others. Do we have any knowledge of them doing what CIA has? Have they organized dozens of coups on the other side of the globe or something?

you only have knowledge about CIA because they willingly declassify information after some time. KGB doesn't. people that talk suddenly get polonium in their tea or novichok on their door handles, and that's how they operate on UK's soil in freaking London, people in other places just disappear without a trace and investigation.

as for what have they organized.. well, let's check the last couple year: USA presidency - check, UK exit from EU - check, Catalania almost leaving Spain, Marine le Pen almost becoming president of France, huge rise of AfD popularity in Germany, hacking of various high profile corporations, olympic games and governments. destabilization of global alliances and international relations is what they do for decades.

Re: YouTube shadowbans video titled “The CIA is a Terrorist Organization”

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Post by joijoiwejrr »

throwaway2048 wrote: post #146
joijoiwejrr wrote: post #107

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That quote is often attributed to Voltaire, but, sadly, it actually belongs to Kevin Alfred Strom, a white nationalist.[0] Doesn't make the quote less true though. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kevin_Alfred_Strom#%22True_Rul...

Yeah, the dying orphans with leukemia are holding all the reigns.

Well whether or not you think the quote is true, the only point I was trying to make is that the truth of the quote doesn't depend on who said it.

Re: YouTube shadowbans video titled “The CIA is a Terrorist Organization”

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Post by gtsop »

keymone wrote: post #288
gtsop wrote: post #285

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Again, I appreciate the existence of others. Do we have any knowledge of them doing what CIA has? Have they organized dozens of coups on the other side of the globe or something?

you only have knowledge about CIA because they willingly declassify information after some time. KGB doesn't. people that talk suddenly get polonium in their tea or novichok on their door handles, and that's how they operate on UK's soil in freaking London, people in other places just disappear without a trace and investigation. as for what have they organized.. well, let's check the last couple year: USA presidency…

> you only have knowledge about CIA because they willingly declassify information after some time.

Willingly declassify information? Ok this is hard troll teritory, I refuse to dig deeper.

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