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#101

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People like yourself that constantly bring up the wrongs of the past and constantly remind people that things were less than perfect in the past constantly don't seem to understand that: * Much like many things society progresses, generally in the western world that progression has tended towards greater liberty (in most respects) of its citizens e.g. Tom Holland (a documentary film maker in the UK) argues the separa…

> People like yourself You mean people who are interested in analysis of history? You don't want to consider it. That's fine...oh wait...what about: > Some argue the separation of church and state can be traced back to the bible Some people argue people rode Dinosaurs. That's about as compelling, as well. For the most of the cultures that contributed to writing portions of the Bible, religious text was law. > remind…

> You mean people who are interested in analysis of history? You don't want to consider it. That's fine...oh wait...what about:

I never said that. I was criticisng how he was analysing it. Today there is a habit of denouncing all the progress someone did in the past because their attitudes and actions at the time weren't up today's standards.

> Some people argue people rode Dinosaurs. That's about as compelling, as well. For the most of the cultures that contributed to writing portions of the Bible, religious text was law.

The point is that a combination of things that culminated in Europe (partly because of Christianity but not wholly) resulted in the secular societies we have in the Western world today. I will remind you just because you don't find it compelling doens't mean that it isn't valid. I think there is little bit of truth to it, but I don't think it tells nearly the whole story.

I know that many people seem to think that Christians are fundamentalist lunatics like Ken Ham, but most aren't.

> The point is about intent, which is relevant. "less perfect" or whatever that's supposed to mean to you, is irrelevant. This is history, not a relative comparison of ideals.

Less perfect means that "It was a step in the right direction". This isn't really difficult to grok.

> Sure you can. Confusing Moral analysis and Contextual analysis is noise.

You really shouldn't. It distorts people's view of history.

> Characters are caricatures (incomplete) if you ignore known qualities. Interestingly enough, while you are objecting strongly to the characterization you could have noted that bladegash might have been wrong about the Patrick Henry quote.

I am not an American, I don't know anything about the people involved and don't claim to. I was simply commenting on the fact that people seem to view history through the standards of today.

> Maybe spend more time researching, instead of emotionally posting.

I did no such thing.

Re: YouTube shadowbans video titled “The CIA is a Terrorist Organization”

#102

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Absolutely ridiculous - do Americans even know why the country was even founded anymore?

Do you? Not to over simplify things, but freedom, liberty, and equal treatment were pretty much empty words and applied only to white American men (see: treatment of Native Americans, the Mexican-American war, slaves, and women). Federalists were very clear in their commentary and design of the Constitution that they were in favor of broad federal powers and feared populism and direct democracy. The Bill of Rights wa…

>Edit based on comment below (thank you Supermancho): Patrick Henry's quote above was related to the absence of the Bill of Rights and was an Anti-Federalist.

This is confusing. Had to read 5-10 comments down to understand your edit.

If patrick henry wasn't against bill of rights then remove it from your original statement.

And then place the errata statement / disclaimer at the end.

Sample: I previously claimed that Patrick... Thanks to supermacho for the correction.

Re: YouTube shadowbans video titled “The CIA is a Terrorist Organization”

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"why isn't there as much outrage over the few dozen police killed every year as there is over the nearly 2k people killed by police?" There are roughly 20k violent deaths in the US every year. Almost 10% of those are police related. That's completely unacceptable to me, having looked at the actual numbers. https://www.thepublicdiscourse.com/2020/06/65309/ has the underlying sources and analysis here.

So for 19 civilian killings the police kill one person? I wonder what would be a "reasonable" share given the amount of violent criminals.

Where are you getting that from? It's 10%, i.e. roughly one police killing per 10 civilian killings.

Read the article I linked and compare to other countries as well as historically.

Re: YouTube shadowbans video titled “The CIA is a Terrorist Organization”

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The shadow ban isn’t even the scariest part of the thread! The Department of Homeland Security confronted him about a video about police brutality: > A few months ago I uploaded a video about police brutality. It showed explicit acts of violence by the police, and it was understandably age-gated. The video was appropriate only for older audiences, but did not break any of YouTube's terms and conditions. > That video…

Well I have encountered this article a while ago - "How CIA made Google": https://medium.com/insurge-intelligence/how-the-cia-made-goo... From this perspective, youtube blocking CIA criticizing video seems like something completely normal.

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Re: YouTube shadowbans video titled “The CIA is a Terrorist Organization”

#105

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Absolutely ridiculous - do Americans even know why the country was even founded anymore?

Do you? Not to over simplify things, but freedom, liberty, and equal treatment were pretty much empty words and applied only to white American men (see: treatment of Native Americans, the Mexican-American war, slaves, and women). Federalists were very clear in their commentary and design of the Constitution that they were in favor of broad federal powers and feared populism and direct democracy. The Bill of Rights wa…

You forgot landed and rich. Which is understandable since the point of history classes in the US is to divide the working class along whatever lines they can, currently race and gender. Previously ethnicity, religion, language, etc

Re: YouTube shadowbans video titled “The CIA is a Terrorist Organization”

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People who cheer when "right wing" misinformation is censored, should think very carefully about what just happened here. And why, for 200 years, free speech and anti-censorship has been extremely important to Americans. There's a reason the ACLU defended nazis being able to protest. Because eventually censorship will ALWAYS be turned on your side. Whichever side you are on.

You're phrasing this as though censorship of leftism were a hypothetical, when in fact it's been happening for over a century. Read about the Red Scare (both the well-known one in the 1950s and the lesser-known one after World War I) [1] and COINTELPRO [2] for a start. There's even an example in the thread: the DHS confronted the person about "anti-American sentiment" for posting a video about police brutality. Conti…

>You'll forgive me for questioning whether Americans really care about free speech and anti-censorship.

I'd venture to say nobody complaining on this thread will do anything about it other than complain on this thread. No calls to representatives, no nothing.

Complaining doesn't get you anywhere. Awareness by itself is useless.

Re: YouTube shadowbans video titled “The CIA is a Terrorist Organization”

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Talk about the military industry, crime financial complex, pretexts to war or history of US foreign policy - anything with actual weight that isn't just "culture wars" - and see yourself get delisted from Google, smeared in the media, then get harassed by various agencies until you either flee the country or end up like Hastings or car bombed like Daphne. There is only freedom of speech until you actually go against…

Voltaire said something like "to know who your masters are, look at who you can't criticize".

That quote is often attributed to Voltaire, but, sadly, it actually belongs to Kevin Alfred Strom, a white nationalist.[0]

Doesn't make the quote less true though.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kevin_Alfred_Strom#%22True_Rul...

Re: YouTube shadowbans video titled “The CIA is a Terrorist Organization”

#108

Just watched the video, read the thread. Here are some thoughts. First of all, the video uploader is promoting a competitor to YouTube. This is not disclaimed clearly. The video goes over criticism to the CIA, which are fair enough. But it takes some things as axioms, for example, that only the US are interfering/meddling in the world. He presents it as "the US is the bad guy and the world would be fair without the C…

I saw the video as well.

> First of all, the video uploader is promoting a competitor to YouTube. This is not disclaimed clearly.

You are starting of by literally the last thing on the video which is the promotion of the uploader's income stream, a standard practice for full-time youtubers... to prove what?

> The video goes over criticism to the CIA, which are fair enough. But it takes some things as axioms, for example, that only the US are interfering/meddling in the world. He presents it as "the US is the bad guy and the world would be fair without the CIA." Which also is a form of propaganda.

There is no such claim in the video. Very dishonest of you to missinform people about it.

Apart from that, I agree with your overall conclusion. Youtube is not a public interest organization, they are a private company making money from ads, it is their right to do as they will on their platform. The sooner people realize that, the better. Beyond that, there is an argument here for having transparent practices. There is nothing preventing youtube from saying the truth about what they do.

Re: YouTube shadowbans video titled “The CIA is a Terrorist Organization”

#109

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I would add one additional qualifier to your statement, it was wealthy white men, not merely white men. To the extent we tend to project the past onto the present, it doesn't make sense to see a random white male construction worker as part of this powerful elite who was denying women the right to vote or enslaving anyone. It was a very small number of people who had power, and like all people in power, wrote rules t…

That is a great point and I wish I had added that in! It definitely wasn't comparable with that of those in power, and much of the Anti-Federalists' fading into nonexistence was due to that power imbalance. However, I would say white men lower in socioeconomic status still held far greater rights than that of, for example, slaves and women.

The right to be drafted and die yes. The rich could literally bribe their way out of conscription.

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And the popular reply to that is "orphans with leukemia"

https://montreal.ctvnews.ca/comedian-mike-ward-seeks-permiss...

That meets the "can't criticize" criteria, but not the "are your masters" criteria, unless there's some sort of secret cabal of disabled boys ruling over us.
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