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Re: YouTube shadowbans video titled “The CIA is a Terrorist Organization”

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Post by elygre »

commentrix wrote: post #35
jakelazaroff wrote: post #2

The shadow ban isn’t even the scariest part of the thread! The Department of Homeland Security confronted him about a video about police brutality: > A few months ago I uploaded a video about police brutality. It showed explicit acts of violence by the police, and it was understandably age-gated. The video was appropriate only for older audiences, but did not break any of YouTube's terms and conditions. > That video…

But I think it's "anti-American" to deliberately editorialize and misrepresent the police as illegally violent and biased, when the facts are otherwise: - black people kill black people far more than police or white people kill black people, but the dominant story about it is, police violence is at fault - police have to deal with 1000s of violent encounters with unstable and dangerous individuals every week, and asi…

Ah, but the facts are not otherwise. https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2016/07/data-police-racial-b... might be a good start.

Also, yes, welcome to hacker news

Re: YouTube shadowbans video titled “The CIA is a Terrorist Organization”

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Post by inatreecrown2 »

jeanlucas wrote: post #23

Just watched the video, read the thread. Here are some thoughts. First of all, the video uploader is promoting a competitor to YouTube. This is not disclaimed clearly. The video goes over criticism to the CIA, which are fair enough. But it takes some things as axioms, for example, that only the US are interfering/meddling in the world. He presents it as "the US is the bad guy and the world would be fair without the C…

the video uploader is promoting his own competitor to youtube, a streaming service. that is mentioned in the end of the video, and it should really be mentioned in the thread title.

Re: YouTube shadowbans video titled “The CIA is a Terrorist Organization”

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Post by forest_dweller »

bladegash wrote: post #24
rubyist5eva wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Absolutely ridiculous - do Americans even know why the country was even founded anymore?

Do you? Not to over simplify things, but freedom, liberty, and equal treatment were pretty much empty words and applied only to white American men (see: treatment of Native Americans, the Mexican-American war, slaves, and women). Federalists were very clear in their commentary and design of the Constitution that they were in favor of broad federal powers and feared populism and direct democracy. The Bill of Rights wa…

People like yourself that constantly bring up the wrongs of the past and constantly remind people that things were less than perfect in the past constantly don't seem to understand that:

* Much like many things society progresses, generally in the western world that progression has tended towards greater liberty (in most respects) of its citizens e.g. Tom Holland (a documentary film maker in the UK) argues the separation of church and state can be traced back to the Bible and it been a steady progression to secularism from there (whether that is valid or not I have no idea).

* You cannot judge people of the past by the standards of today. Someone that would have been seen as progressive back then would be seen as some sort of ultra-traditionalist far-right fridge thinker. You have to judge them by the standards of the time. I am sure in 200-300 years people will see us as backwards, poorly educated and barbaric.

I don't know the history of the events or the characters that led to American indepedence (I am not an American) but what I do find when people feel the need to character assasinate important figures of the past is that they do massively over simplify events and the people involved.

Re: YouTube shadowbans video titled “The CIA is a Terrorist Organization”

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Post by vxNsr »

jedimastert wrote: post #29
zpeti wrote: post #12

People who cheer when "right wing" misinformation is censored, should think very carefully about what just happened here. And why, for 200 years, free speech and anti-censorship has been extremely important to Americans. There's a reason the ACLU defended nazis being able to protest. Because eventually censorship will ALWAYS be turned on your side. Whichever side you are on.

One check-and-balance that people seem to have forgotten about recently is "what happens when your political opposition wields the power you want to create?"

Which is fascinating because for the last four years they haven’t been in power and at the same time that they’ve been calling for more central control they’ve been bemoaning how terrible the current executive is, and how bad it is that he’s doing all these things and someone has to stop him. Without a single hint of irony that they want to hand the office more power and control.

Re: YouTube shadowbans video titled “The CIA is a Terrorist Organization”

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Post by peteretep »

jakelazaroff wrote: post #2

The shadow ban isn’t even the scariest part of the thread! The Department of Homeland Security confronted him about a video about police brutality: > A few months ago I uploaded a video about police brutality. It showed explicit acts of violence by the police, and it was understandably age-gated. The video was appropriate only for older audiences, but did not break any of YouTube's terms and conditions. > That video…

> That video earned me a visit from the DHS

I wasn’t there, so I’ve no idea if that really happened, but the statement definitely makes his videos more exciting and click worthy :eye-roll:

Re: YouTube shadowbans video titled “The CIA is a Terrorist Organization”

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Post by cblconfederate »

musingsole wrote: post #20
7636528A wrote: post #10

I hope YouTube and other platforms for user content will be replaced by something decentralised eventually. I wonder if a decentralised media platform over something like bittorrent or IPFS is or will ever be technologically feasible.

The content hosting is feasible. The problem is search. If all the videos ever produced where captured in an IPFS hash somewhere...how do you find them?

The problem is how to make the search itself uncensorable, unlike bittorrent ttackers

Re: YouTube shadowbans video titled “The CIA is a Terrorist Organization”

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Post by gruez »

jmnicolas wrote: post #28
kossTKR wrote: post #17

Talk about the military industry, crime financial complex, pretexts to war or history of US foreign policy - anything with actual weight that isn't just "culture wars" - and see yourself get delisted from Google, smeared in the media, then get harassed by various agencies until you either flee the country or end up like Hastings or car bombed like Daphne. There is only freedom of speech until you actually go against…

Voltaire said something like "to know who your masters are, look at who you can't criticize".

And the popular reply to that is "orphans with leukemia"

Re: YouTube shadowbans video titled “The CIA is a Terrorist Organization”

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Post by handoflixue »

3663288262 wrote: post #16

Speaking as a lurker, this seems basically like what people have been asking for for awhile now including here. I remember seeing numerous top comment chains over the last four years (and of course before that but not here) that all boiled down to very eloquent defenses of censoring fringe thinkers. Who knows, maybe in theory land there's no reason we can't have it both ways. But it seems to me that in the real world…

I think the OP's author makes a pretty good point: the censorship itself doesn't bother him; it's the opaqueness that's a problem. If they just said "this is censored because the CIA requires it", he'd be fine (his own words from the OP)

I can understand the call for censorship, but I don't see any particular value in the opaqueness.

Re: YouTube shadowbans video titled “The CIA is a Terrorist Organization”

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Post by Ntrails »

forest_dweller wrote: post #43
bladegash wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you? Not to over simplify things, but freedom, liberty, and equal treatment were pretty much empty words and applied only to white American men (see: treatment of Native Americans, the Mexican-American war, slaves, and women). Federalists were very clear in their commentary and design of the Constitution that they were in favor of broad federal powers and feared populism and direct democracy. The Bill of Rights wa…

People like yourself that constantly bring up the wrongs of the past and constantly remind people that things were less than perfect in the past constantly don't seem to understand that: * Much like many things society progresses, generally in the western world that progression has tended towards greater liberty (in most respects) of its citizens e.g. Tom Holland (a documentary film maker in the UK) argues the separa…

Gp was refuting a claim that the American State was formed on an "anti state oppression" platform. He is not claiming the people were bad, but that their ideals were not what was being claimed of them
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