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People who cheer when "right wing" misinformation is censored, should think very carefully about what just happened here. And why, for 200 years, free speech and anti-censorship has been extremely important to Americans. There's a reason the ACLU defended nazis being able to protest. Because eventually censorship will ALWAYS be turned on your side. Whichever side you are on.

They made their bed and now they are lying on it.

Re: YouTube shadowbans video titled “The CIA is a Terrorist Organization”

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The shadow ban isn’t even the scariest part of the thread! The Department of Homeland Security confronted him about a video about police brutality: > A few months ago I uploaded a video about police brutality. It showed explicit acts of violence by the police, and it was understandably age-gated. The video was appropriate only for older audiences, but did not break any of YouTube's terms and conditions. > That video…

Absolutely ridiculous - do Americans even know why the country was even founded anymore?

I don’t think most care

Re: YouTube shadowbans video titled “The CIA is a Terrorist Organization”

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Just watched the video, read the thread. Here are some thoughts.

First of all, the video uploader is promoting a competitor to YouTube. This is not disclaimed clearly.

The video goes over criticism to the CIA, which are fair enough. But it takes some things as axioms, for example, that only the US are interfering/meddling in the world. He presents it as "the US is the bad guy and the world would be fair without the CIA." Which also is a form of propaganda.

It's a bit näive to not see this as anti-government propaganda. The crude reality is: true democracies never existed, and influence between countries is as old as society.

About the "censorship" itself: Youtube's goals is not the same as the authors, why would they promote something that is not what they want to be? They have a huge infant audience, they want to be advertiser-friendly. This is not something hidden or unknown.

They did not delete the video, but they shouldn't promote it. No fault in my eyes.

And at the same time, the buzz around saying "my video is being suppressed" get more views and is even a badge to prove the content "hits where it hurts". Just like rock bands in the 80s/90s would go after being censored or considered 18+ just to sell more.

Re: YouTube shadowbans video titled “The CIA is a Terrorist Organization”

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The shadow ban isn’t even the scariest part of the thread! The Department of Homeland Security confronted him about a video about police brutality: > A few months ago I uploaded a video about police brutality. It showed explicit acts of violence by the police, and it was understandably age-gated. The video was appropriate only for older audiences, but did not break any of YouTube's terms and conditions. > That video…

Absolutely ridiculous - do Americans even know why the country was even founded anymore?

Do you? Not to over simplify things, but freedom, liberty, and equal treatment were pretty much empty words and applied only to white American men (see: treatment of Native Americans, the Mexican-American war, slaves, and women).

Federalists were very clear in their commentary and design of the Constitution that they were in favor of broad federal powers and feared populism and direct democracy. The Bill of Rights was not in the original drafts of the Constitution and likely would not have existed had it not been for the Anti-Federalists.

Not to mention gems such as the Alien and Sedition Acts, Three-Fifths Compromise, Manifest Destiny, etc.

Many of the tensions and fears that existed back then, are some of the same ones we are dealing with now.

Edit: Original comment suggested Patrick Henry was against the Bill of Rights - which was inaccurate and a big error on my part. Apologies for the misleading quote!

Re: YouTube shadowbans video titled “The CIA is a Terrorist Organization”

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post #12

People who cheer when "right wing" misinformation is censored, should think very carefully about what just happened here. And why, for 200 years, free speech and anti-censorship has been extremely important to Americans. There's a reason the ACLU defended nazis being able to protest. Because eventually censorship will ALWAYS be turned on your side. Whichever side you are on.

The availability and ease of distribution of "fringe" content is a 100 times higher today than it ever was in those 200 years you're glorifying.

Re: YouTube shadowbans video titled “The CIA is a Terrorist Organization”

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post #12

People who cheer when "right wing" misinformation is censored, should think very carefully about what just happened here. And why, for 200 years, free speech and anti-censorship has been extremely important to Americans. There's a reason the ACLU defended nazis being able to protest. Because eventually censorship will ALWAYS be turned on your side. Whichever side you are on.

You're phrasing this as though censorship of leftism were a hypothetical, when in fact it's been happening for over a century. Read about the Red Scare (both the well-known one in the 1950s and the lesser-known one after World War I) [1] and COINTELPRO [2] for a start.

There's even an example in the thread: the DHS confronted the person about "anti-American sentiment" for posting a video about police brutality. Continuing a proud tradition of censorship and propaganda — of the people, by the people, for the people.

You'll forgive me for questioning whether Americans really care about free speech and anti-censorship.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Scare

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COINTELPRO

Re: YouTube shadowbans video titled “The CIA is a Terrorist Organization”

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Just watched the video, read the thread. Here are some thoughts. First of all, the video uploader is promoting a competitor to YouTube. This is not disclaimed clearly. The video goes over criticism to the CIA, which are fair enough. But it takes some things as axioms, for example, that only the US are interfering/meddling in the world. He presents it as "the US is the bad guy and the world would be fair without the C…

Don't get me wrong, it's a great video with lots of research in the most known CIA meddling like Cuba, Latin America, Iran, and so on.

But it's literally nothing new to anyone with any political knowledge that countries meddle in each other business all the time.

The difference is that it is exposed in a way to make it sensationalist.

Re: YouTube shadowbans video titled “The CIA is a Terrorist Organization”

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post #17

Talk about the military industry, crime financial complex, pretexts to war or history of US foreign policy - anything with actual weight that isn't just "culture wars" - and see yourself get delisted from Google, smeared in the media, then get harassed by various agencies until you either flee the country or end up like Hastings or car bombed like Daphne. There is only freedom of speech until you actually go against…

Voltaire said something like "to know who your masters are, look at who you can't criticize".

Re: YouTube shadowbans video titled “The CIA is a Terrorist Organization”

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post #12

People who cheer when "right wing" misinformation is censored, should think very carefully about what just happened here. And why, for 200 years, free speech and anti-censorship has been extremely important to Americans. There's a reason the ACLU defended nazis being able to protest. Because eventually censorship will ALWAYS be turned on your side. Whichever side you are on.

One check-and-balance that people seem to have forgotten about recently is "what happens when your political opposition wields the power you want to create?"

Re: YouTube shadowbans video titled “The CIA is a Terrorist Organization”

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The shadow ban isn’t even the scariest part of the thread! The Department of Homeland Security confronted him about a video about police brutality: > A few months ago I uploaded a video about police brutality. It showed explicit acts of violence by the police, and it was understandably age-gated. The video was appropriate only for older audiences, but did not break any of YouTube's terms and conditions. > That video…

Absolutely ridiculous - do Americans even know why the country was even founded anymore?

Humans will do whatever makes them feel good. The rest doesn’t matter.
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