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Re: YouTube shadowbans video titled “The CIA is a Terrorist Organization”

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Post by snowron6 »

bradlys wrote: post #222
snowron6 wrote: post #219

Does anyone else find it strange that this thread is one the third page of hackernews despite being newer, with more upvotes and comments than the majority of posts on the front page? I know the site isn't meant for political discussion, but other stories about tech companies censoring political opinions haven't fallen from the front page as quickly as this one.

Probably a lot of flagging. That’ll derank it quickly. That said, use the /active page if you really want to see what’s spicy. This is top of the page there. I visit active before the front page almost every time. :)

I'd never heard of /active before, thanks!

Re: YouTube shadowbans video titled “The CIA is a Terrorist Organization”

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Post by jl2718 »

3663288262 wrote: post #16

Speaking as a lurker, this seems basically like what people have been asking for for awhile now including here. I remember seeing numerous top comment chains over the last four years (and of course before that but not here) that all boiled down to very eloquent defenses of censoring fringe thinkers. Who knows, maybe in theory land there's no reason we can't have it both ways. But it seems to me that in the real world…

More fundamentally, what is the point of participating in a social platform that only allows one set of information? Why would you want to read the same thing from many sources? Seems like it’s easier to just read one source and be done with it.

I posit that the lack of censorship is the reason that social media exists. Similarly, the printing press. Why on earth would anybody want to read the Bible, or any other book, by themselves? All truth is taught in Church. To think otherwise is blasphemy.

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Post by forest_dweller »

freeflight wrote: post #160
forest_dweller wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People like yourself that constantly bring up the wrongs of the past and constantly remind people that things were less than perfect in the past constantly don't seem to understand that: * Much like many things society progresses, generally in the western world that progression has tended towards greater liberty (in most respects) of its citizens e.g. Tom Holland (a documentary film maker in the UK) argues the separa…

A lot of these "wrongs" are not really as far in the past as you imply there. For example the political landscape in the US, is still very much dominated by economic elite interest groups. [0] People are still actively disfranchised from participating in the democratic process, having their right to vote taken from them over a criminal history. After they came out of the literally largest incarceration system of the…

Whether wrongs are happening today is irrelevant to my point. People try to reframe history in the poliics of today and it cheapens any discission of the topic as everything is seen through a modern lens.

As for societies domninated by "elite". If you read any Pareto all societies have been dominated by elite interest groups. It is called "Elite Theory". It is nothing unique to America or the Anglosphere.

https://www.britannica.com/topic/elite-theory

> At the bottom of the Wealth curve, he wrote, Men and Women starve and children die young. In the broad middle of the curve all is turmoil and motion: people rising and falling, climbing by talent or luck and falling by alcoholism, tuberculosis and other kinds of unfitness. At the very top sit the elite of the elite, who control wealth and power for a time – until they are unseated through revolution or upheaval by a new aristocratic class. There is no progress in human history. Democracy is a fraud. Human nature is primitive, emotional, unyielding. The smarter, abler, stronger, and shrewder take the lion's share. The weak starve, lest society become degenerate: One can, Pareto wrote, 'compare the social body to the human body, which will promptly perish if prevented from eliminating toxins.' Inflammatory stuff – and it burned Pareto's reputation.

Unfortunately it is the basis of fascism.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vilfredo_Pareto#Fascism_and_po...

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Post by belval »

musingsole wrote: post #78
belval wrote: post #57

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My pet theory is that there will always be a constant loop much like the prey-predator relationship. We start by going in one direction i.e. liberalism, then we realize that some pieces of authoritarianism might be good for a problem we currently have, so we water it down a bit. Fast forward 50-70 years, we realize that the balance has swung too much to one side so we try to do a sharp turn. That action causes an ove…

I don't think it's a given that revolution and violence reset the cycle to liberalism. There would appear to be plenty of examples where the chaos just ushers in a greater degree of authoritarianism and how much liberalism that follows a power change is just caused by the period of new power consolidating its control? Even if it's a matter of picking the right start and stop times to a cycle, every iteration would be…

Absolutely, to be clear I don't have the arrogance to think that I can explain the complexity of western society in a single HN comment. I am just a software engineer.

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Post by sfkdjf9j3j »

jessaustin wrote: post #167
sfkdjf9j3j wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is actually a really interesting point/question, and it's one that doesn't have an easy answer. It's true that, overall, most slaves (in pre-civil-war US) were owned by a small number of plantations. But in some southern states, nearly half the White families owned at least one slave. In those families, obviously the women and children didn't themselves "own" any slaves, but they nevertheless controlled that per…

...in some southern states, nearly half the White families owned at least one slave. Which states? This is easier to imagine of e.g. South Carolina than of Tennessee. In general, exaggerating differences in the interests of different portions of the working class is not to the advantage of the working class. American blacks have suffered more from our racist authoritarian capitalist system than poor whites have, but…

I'm not trying to solve all the problems of the working class (which is not a monolith except when viewed through certain narrow theoretical lenses). I am just clarifying that race-based slavery was fundamental to southern society and economy, and it is ahistorical and misleading to suggest that it only or even primarily benefited a tiny minority of wealthy plantation owners.

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Post by gtsop »

keymone wrote: post #193
gtsop wrote: post #177

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> The current status of world dominance/power is an evolution of previous iterations (be it good or bad). But we never had a democratic system the CIA is breaking. True > The video is presented in a way that if you don't know all of that you will assume the CIA is making the world bad. Maybe true, but this is an unintended consequence. In no point does the uploader make such a claim or presents evidence to make you t…

It’s not just absence of mentions of actions by other clandestine actors, it’s absence of even acknowledging what kind of world does cia operate in - everybody all the time is engaged in secret operations to advance their agenda. Everybody does that in multiple parallel projects, operated in different capacities with people of varying competency. Any “storytelling” about single agency or project or a person is incomp…

Asking out of curiosiry. Do you have an contemporary actors in mind that operate on the same level as CIA? Because it seems to me like there is much concern about other "conpetitors", but I do not know of any. Not to be missinterpreted, I don't say there aren't spy agencies from other countries trying to do similar things, I'm saying I am not aware of any that operate on a similar scale and range as CIA. Interested in learning about those

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Post by Darmody »

ikeboy wrote: post #215
Darmody wrote: post #212

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Because most violent crimes start as non violent crimes. That said, American police needs better funding and better training. They need to learn how to deescalate situations.

Citation?

I read it some month ago, I don't have any source right now, sorry.

I remember reading it and thinking it was pretty obvious. I didn't bother saving any link.

Just look at how most people act when police arrives. That's not only an American thing. Non violent crimes are still made by criminals and they don't respond very well to police presence.

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Post by jessaustin »

leftyted wrote: post #223
jessaustin wrote: post #217

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Words have meanings. "Propaganda" isn't just funny stories; it is done for particular interests. You claim he's a propagandist, so you should identify which interests those are. Failing that, you could retract your vicious slur...

I identified his interest. Are you getting all the way through my posts? > Horne's writings aren't about history: they're a form public of agitation so that "the USA will do less racist shit".

And this is a reason we should disregard history? Please take a long look at your priorities, Ted.

Re: YouTube shadowbans video titled “The CIA is a Terrorist Organization”

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Post by ksk »

calibas wrote: post #95
3663288262 wrote: post #16

Speaking as a lurker, this seems basically like what people have been asking for for awhile now including here. I remember seeing numerous top comment chains over the last four years (and of course before that but not here) that all boiled down to very eloquent defenses of censoring fringe thinkers. Who knows, maybe in theory land there's no reason we can't have it both ways. But it seems to me that in the real world…

Children are taught to not question what they're told, because it's much easier on parents and teachers when children don't question what they're told. Then when they're adults they lack any kind of critical thinking skills because they've been miseducated and they're easy targets for disinformation. To me, the solution is obviously better education. When people believe the Earth is round only because that's what the…

>when children don't question what they're told.

That doesn't mean they accept everything as fact. They may simply not choose to question because of fear of punishment, or for any other number of reasons.

>Then when they're adults they lack any kind of critical thinking skills because they've been miseducated and they're easy targets for disinformation.

That is a giant leap of logic.. or faith. Case in point :- I went to a religious school (though, it was more of a hippie religious school), and many of my classmates became atheists later in life. :)

I think there a large room for even further nuance about how humans develop and all the factors that shape our thinking. Simply forcing a 'critical thinking' class into the curriculum won't give them any benefit any more than attending an entrepreneurship class will make you an entrepreneur.

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