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YouTube shadowbans video titled “The CIA is a Terrorist Organization”

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Post by leto_ii »

jeanlucas wrote: post #27
jeanlucas wrote: post #23

Just watched the video, read the thread. Here are some thoughts. First of all, the video uploader is promoting a competitor to YouTube. This is not disclaimed clearly. The video goes over criticism to the CIA, which are fair enough. But it takes some things as axioms, for example, that only the US are interfering/meddling in the world. He presents it as "the US is the bad guy and the world would be fair without the C…

Don't get me wrong, it's a great video with lots of research in the most known CIA meddling like Cuba, Latin America, Iran, and so on. But it's literally nothing new to anyone with any political knowledge that countries meddle in each other business all the time. The difference is that it is exposed in a way to make it sensationalist.

> But it's literally nothing new to anyone with any political knowledge

It's therefore even more surprising and alarming that generally available information still gets shadow banned.

Re: YouTube shadowbans video titled “The CIA is a Terrorist Organization”

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Post by bradlys »

snowron6 wrote: post #219

Does anyone else find it strange that this thread is one the third page of hackernews despite being newer, with more upvotes and comments than the majority of posts on the front page? I know the site isn't meant for political discussion, but other stories about tech companies censoring political opinions haven't fallen from the front page as quickly as this one.

Probably a lot of flagging. That’ll derank it quickly.

That said, use the /active page if you really want to see what’s spicy. This is top of the page there. I visit active before the front page almost every time. :)

Re: YouTube shadowbans video titled “The CIA is a Terrorist Organization”

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Post by leftyted »

jessaustin wrote: post #217
leftyted wrote: post #209

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just because you view all history as the result of a "secret cabal of evildoers" (in this case, plotting to preserve slavery) doesn't mean I have to. As you let slip here, Horne's writings aren't about history: they're a form public of agitation so that "the USA will do less racist shit". Which would be fine if he was a social critic or a politician. But he's been passing himself off as a historian.

Words have meanings. "Propaganda" isn't just funny stories; it is done for particular interests. You claim he's a propagandist, so you should identify which interests those are. Failing that, you could retract your vicious slur...

I identified his interest. Are you getting all the way through my posts?

> Horne's writings aren't about history: they're a form public of agitation so that "the USA will do less racist shit".

Re: YouTube shadowbans video titled “The CIA is a Terrorist Organization”

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Post by forest_dweller »

pmiller2 wrote: post #207
forest_dweller wrote: post #149

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No. It is largely irrelevant to what the person's point was because they weren't really asking why America was founded. I am sure you will quote it verbatim and say "it says exactly those words" while ignoring the actual intent.

How else am I to interpret this, then? > Absolutely ridiculous - do Americans even know why the country was even founded anymore? This statement was made to suggest that America has gotten away from the reasons it was founded. It is entirely reasonable to discuss the historical reasons for the founding of America, which included the desire of white property owners to be guaranteed "life, liberty, and the pursuit of h…

> How else am I to interpret this, then?

People are simply expressing that a police state is scary and those that work for the police state are working against the interests of their citizens and the ethos of the nation. Whether or not that was the original intention of your founders is irrelevant.

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Post by orestarod »

bryanrasmussen wrote: post #126
gruez wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That meets the "can't criticize" criteria, but not the "are your masters" criteria, unless there's some sort of secret cabal of disabled boys ruling over us.

right, which means that Voltaire's quip, although clever as everything he said, did not happen to actually cover all the possibilities of censorship in every possible society. In his time, certainly, the people you couldn't criticize were the rulers, in our time there is a wider range of people you can't criticize.

The statement makes much more sense for today's world if the "who" in the question "Who you can't criticize" is specific instead of broadly targeting a demographic. You won't get hunted down for saying "rich people are bad and should die", but if you start spewing facts with names and pointing fingers ("CIA is a terrorist organization, and this is why"), or e.g. in Greece you say "Marinakis is a drug dealer" publicly, you should start worrying for yourself.

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Post by leto_ii »

mandragon wrote: post #225
leto_ii wrote: post #218

Earlier quoted context omitted.

:)) no. Why do you ask?

Sorry, meant to ask that question about the author making the claim about DHS.

I was quoting part of the main Twitter thread: https://twitter.com/_SecondThought/status/133274617257067725...

Re: YouTube shadowbans video titled “The CIA is a Terrorist Organization”

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Post by mandragon »

leto_ii wrote: post #228
mandragon wrote: post #225

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sorry, meant to ask that question about the author making the claim about DHS.

I was quoting part of the main Twitter thread: https://twitter.com/_SecondThought/status/133274617257067725...

Yep, my mistake. The twitter user appears american.

Re: YouTube shadowbans video titled “The CIA is a Terrorist Organization”

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Post by jakelazaroff »

Natsu wrote: post #77
jakelazaroff wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're phrasing this as though censorship of leftism were a hypothetical, when in fact it's been happening for over a century. Read about the Red Scare (both the well-known one in the 1950s and the lesser-known one after World War I) [1] and COINTELPRO [2] for a start. There's even an example in the thread: the DHS confronted the person about "anti-American sentiment" for posting a video about police brutality. Conti…

You'd do better with examples that aren't from the 1950s. And #2 was run by Deep Throat (Mike Felt) himself.

Well, there’s the example from the Twitter thread. But the point is that anti-leftist censorship and propaganda have been happening for a loooooong time.
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