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Re: YouTube shadowbans video titled “The CIA is a Terrorist Organization”

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Post by benrbray »

forest_dweller wrote: post #43
bladegash wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you? Not to over simplify things, but freedom, liberty, and equal treatment were pretty much empty words and applied only to white American men (see: treatment of Native Americans, the Mexican-American war, slaves, and women). Federalists were very clear in their commentary and design of the Constitution that they were in favor of broad federal powers and feared populism and direct democracy. The Bill of Rights wa…

People like yourself that constantly bring up the wrongs of the past and constantly remind people that things were less than perfect in the past constantly don't seem to understand that: * Much like many things society progresses, generally in the western world that progression has tended towards greater liberty (in most respects) of its citizens e.g. Tom Holland (a documentary film maker in the UK) argues the separa…

To be fair, the person you're responding to only brought up this viewpoint in response to another poster who seems to hold the view that the founding fathers were just as progressive as we are today.

Re: YouTube shadowbans video titled “The CIA is a Terrorist Organization”

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Post by cinquemb »

musingsole wrote: post #15
mark_l_watson wrote: post #4

I have no views on the video, I didn’t watch it, but tech companies censoring and pushing back against free speech troubles me. Individuals and companies have the right to do what they want with their own property, and I don’t have any great ideas on how to solve this dilemma. One solution would be to have many platforms but we live in a winner take all world and platforms like YT get more powerful because of network…

But why is that? Shouldn't the only bar to putting some videos up on the internet be bandwith? We can solve that with IPFS. The content hosting with youtube is nice, but the bigger problem solved by YT is search. So a video up on a server somewhere might as well be dark unless something can link to it and someone looking for it or something similar can be pointed to it. That search feature itself can't be centralized…

Well at least for the near future it would probably work like how people have to find torrents: different sites index meta data in their own data bases.

Maybe with something like opentracker there could be an endpoint like /search that translates search phrases into a sparse column vector and looks up cosine similarity against that instances low dimensional space representation of the tf-idf against torrent hashes, those low dimensional space representation files can also be distributed in torrent file and as well as way to constantly update/compute new low dimensional space representation files as hashes are added.

For example it would probably look something like what I do in [0] but as a compiled module linked into and accessed from [1] as well constant update/rebuild of ldsr files like [2] linked and kicked off from flags passed in [3] as new hashes come in.

[0]: https://github.com/cinquemb/hackedteam-email-index-mining/bl...

[1]: https://erdgeist.org/gitweb/opentracker/tree/ot_http.c

[2]: https://github.com/cinquemb/hackedteam-email-index-mining/bl...

[3]: https://erdgeist.org/gitweb/opentracker/tree/opentracker.c

Re: YouTube shadowbans video titled “The CIA is a Terrorist Organization”

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Post by gruez »

kossTKR wrote: post #17

Talk about the military industry, crime financial complex, pretexts to war or history of US foreign policy - anything with actual weight that isn't just "culture wars" - and see yourself get delisted from Google, smeared in the media, then get harassed by various agencies until you either flee the country or end up like Hastings or car bombed like Daphne. There is only freedom of speech until you actually go against…

>Talk about the military industry, crime financial complex, pretexts to war or history of US foreign policy [...] and see yourself get delisted from Google, smeared in the media, then get harassed by various agencies

uhh, what? You frequently see posts critical of all of those on reddit and hn, and to my knowledge the things you've listed didn't happen to them.

Re: YouTube shadowbans video titled “The CIA is a Terrorist Organization”

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Post by Consultant32452 »

bladegash wrote: post #24
rubyist5eva wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Absolutely ridiculous - do Americans even know why the country was even founded anymore?

Do you? Not to over simplify things, but freedom, liberty, and equal treatment were pretty much empty words and applied only to white American men (see: treatment of Native Americans, the Mexican-American war, slaves, and women). Federalists were very clear in their commentary and design of the Constitution that they were in favor of broad federal powers and feared populism and direct democracy. The Bill of Rights wa…

I would add one additional qualifier to your statement, it was wealthy white men, not merely white men. To the extent we tend to project the past onto the present, it doesn't make sense to see a random white male construction worker as part of this powerful elite who was denying women the right to vote or enslaving anyone. It was a very small number of people who had power, and like all people in power, wrote rules that maintained and/or expanded their power.

Re: YouTube shadowbans video titled “The CIA is a Terrorist Organization”

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Post by question000 »

I think it important to entertain the possibility that this person is simply lying. I don't see any evidence that backs up his claim that this was intentional and his claim that he was visited by DHS officials is doubtful to me. There's plenty of videos like his on YouTube already, so I can't really imagine this caused a real government intervention. But maybe I missed something.

Re: YouTube shadowbans video titled “The CIA is a Terrorist Organization”

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Post by bryanrasmussen »

rubyist5eva wrote: post #8
jakelazaroff wrote: post #2

The shadow ban isn’t even the scariest part of the thread! The Department of Homeland Security confronted him about a video about police brutality: > A few months ago I uploaded a video about police brutality. It showed explicit acts of violence by the police, and it was understandably age-gated. The video was appropriate only for older audiences, but did not break any of YouTube's terms and conditions. > That video…

Absolutely ridiculous - do Americans even know why the country was even founded anymore?

it could be argued it was because people didn't like to pay taxes.

Re: YouTube shadowbans video titled “The CIA is a Terrorist Organization”

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Post by belval »

cblconfederate wrote: post #39
3663288262 wrote: post #16

Speaking as a lurker, this seems basically like what people have been asking for for awhile now including here. I remember seeing numerous top comment chains over the last four years (and of course before that but not here) that all boiled down to very eloquent defenses of censoring fringe thinkers. Who knows, maybe in theory land there's no reason we can't have it both ways. But it seems to me that in the real world…

It s as if we rediscover liberalism in full circles

My pet theory is that there will always be a constant loop much like the prey-predator relationship. We start by going in one direction i.e. liberalism, then we realize that some pieces of authoritarianism might be good for a problem we currently have, so we water it down a bit.

Fast forward 50-70 years, we realize that the balance has swung too much to one side so we try to do a sharp turn. That action causes an overcompensation which is when revolution and violence happen. Finally we end up back at some sort of liberalism and the circle begins anew.

I see it as a result of generation gap. We don't know the value of something until we lose it. Right now the public doesn't value freedom of speech as much as it used to so we are right on track to have it more limited.

Re: YouTube shadowbans video titled “The CIA is a Terrorist Organization”

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Post by betaby »

gruez wrote: post #47
jmnicolas wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Voltaire said something like "to know who your masters are, look at who you can't criticize".

And the popular reply to that is "orphans with leukemia"

https://montreal.ctvnews.ca/comedian-mike-ward-seeks-permiss...

Re: YouTube shadowbans video titled “The CIA is a Terrorist Organization”

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Post by blunte »

forest_dweller wrote: post #43
bladegash wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you? Not to over simplify things, but freedom, liberty, and equal treatment were pretty much empty words and applied only to white American men (see: treatment of Native Americans, the Mexican-American war, slaves, and women). Federalists were very clear in their commentary and design of the Constitution that they were in favor of broad federal powers and feared populism and direct democracy. The Bill of Rights wa…

People like yourself that constantly bring up the wrongs of the past and constantly remind people that things were less than perfect in the past constantly don't seem to understand that: * Much like many things society progresses, generally in the western world that progression has tended towards greater liberty (in most respects) of its citizens e.g. Tom Holland (a documentary film maker in the UK) argues the separa…

I didn't read it as character assassination. I read it as a reminder that we're should not romanticize and fill in details that were not there.

People interpret history differently, and it is a problem when those interpretations differ too much and lead to fundamentally different expectations.

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