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Re: Diego Maradona has died

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Post by mrleinad »

_ofdw wrote: post #36

Unpopular opinion: He was a gifted footballer but was a total piece of shit in nearly all other aspects of life including abusing women and minors, to say nothing of his complete lack of sportsmanship on the pitch. I hate that this guy gets lionized. To me it just underlines everything wrong with football.

He was flawed, but far from being a piece of shit. I strongly suggest you put aside your prejudices about him and try to understand both his lights and shadows. He was always on the side of the downtrodden and poor people everywhere. He never abused minors, that one was Pelé. And he always cared about his colleagues, you won't find anyone in football that says or has said otherwise.

Re: Diego Maradona has died

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Post by mrleinad »

the_af wrote: post #118
Grustaf wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t think many people will claim that he was a good person. He’s lionized for his football playing, like Messi.

A lot of people in my country also like/dislike him for his political opinions. A lot of people do claim he was a good person. Others hated him or mocked him. He had transcended football.

Yeah, they prefer someone who doesn't speak his mind, like Messi. That way they can enjoy the footballer without having to deal with any contradictions that person might have.

Re: Diego Maradona has died

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Post by anonu »

arrosenberg wrote: post #83
mongol wrote: post #70

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This goal was incredible, but with many years passed, it has faded in significance for me. Not sure why, if it is because the game has evolved, or I have seen many other great goals, or something else. But probably because I think the defense was too passive. This goal would not be done today, most probably.

Lionel Messi, same goal, 2004 (or thereabouts) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cAehMNYw0ig

Messi feels 2x faster than Maradona here

Re: Diego Maradona has died

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Post by simonebrunozzi »

yiyus wrote: post #228
arrosenberg wrote: post #83

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Lionel Messi, same goal, 2004 (or thereabouts) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cAehMNYw0ig

> same goal Scoring against Getafe is not comparable to scoring against England in a world cup, specially when it is Argentina against England (in a game England invented) only a few years against the Falklands war. It's a great goal by Messi, but Maradona's goal has a place in history books.

> (in a game England invented)

It seems that soccer was invented in China, not in England. [0]

[0]: https://www.athleticscholarships.net/history-of-soccer-footb...

Re: Diego Maradona has died

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Post by nimbleal »

simonebrunozzi wrote: post #264
yiyus wrote: post #228

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> same goal Scoring against Getafe is not comparable to scoring against England in a world cup, specially when it is Argentina against England (in a game England invented) only a few years against the Falklands war. It's a great goal by Messi, but Maradona's goal has a place in history books.

> (in a game England invented) It seems that soccer was invented in China, not in England. [0] [0]: https://www.athleticscholarships.net/history-of-soccer-footb...

My understanding is that kicking something about with the aim of getting it somewhere or other existed in lots of different places, independently. The modern, codified game more or less resembling what we have today was invented in England.

Re: Diego Maradona has died

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Post by peteretep »

simonebrunozzi wrote: post #264
yiyus wrote: post #228

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> same goal Scoring against Getafe is not comparable to scoring against England in a world cup, specially when it is Argentina against England (in a game England invented) only a few years against the Falklands war. It's a great goal by Messi, but Maradona's goal has a place in history books.

> (in a game England invented) It seems that soccer was invented in China, not in England. [0] [0]: https://www.athleticscholarships.net/history-of-soccer-footb...

Did you read the link you posted?

> Records trace the history of soccer back more than 2,000 years ago to ancient China. Greece, Rome, and parts of Central America also claim to have started the sport; but it was England that transitioned soccer, or what the British and many other people around the world call “football,” into the game we know today.

In short: everyone lays claim to kicking around a ball, but England invented the modern game

Re: Diego Maradona has died

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Post by xapata »

yiyus wrote: post #228
arrosenberg wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lionel Messi, same goal, 2004 (or thereabouts) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cAehMNYw0ig

> same goal Scoring against Getafe is not comparable to scoring against England in a world cup, specially when it is Argentina against England (in a game England invented) only a few years against the Falklands war. It's a great goal by Messi, but Maradona's goal has a place in history books.

Getafe today is better than Getafe 2004, for those of you wondering.

Re: Diego Maradona has died

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Post by xapata »

cambalache wrote: post #225
usaphp wrote: post #216

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I think he is comparing the technical difficulty of a goal, not the context when it was scored.

I dont know if you have played football or are a fan, but the context is a great part of the difficulty of a goal, not only were his opponents better the stakes were sky-high. Players who regularly score in a normal game freeze when the do-or-die time comes. For all his brilliance Messi has never scored a goal in a decisive game in a WC, Maradona scored 4 in 2 games in 1986.

And there was that moment Messi skied a penalty kick in ... what was it, the Copa América final? He announced his retirement the day after. Of course, retracted.

Re: Diego Maradona has died

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Post by xapata »

topicseed wrote: post #92
arrosenberg wrote: post #83

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Lionel Messi, same goal, 2004 (or thereabouts) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cAehMNYw0ig

Wish I was in a random bar in Barcelona when that happened. Always a huge pleasure to rewatch it.

I was in a random bar in Barcelona when Ronaldo scored a hat trick to come back against Wolfsburg in the CL. For a Madrid fan, it was amazingly juicy. A little old lady started dancing the flamenco to taunt a table of young lads.
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