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Wish I was in a random bar in Barcelona when that happened. Always a huge pleasure to rewatch it.
Barcelona? Or Buenos Aires?
Messi is Barcelona FC player.
Diego Maradona has died
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#242Lots of respect for someone so worshiped by his geniality in the pitch that there is literally a Maradonian church.
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Maybe it does. I would consider you utterly ignorant if you didn't know anyone known by several billion people. There was this concept of general knowledge you used to aspire to which is becoming quickly replaced by the atomization of information among tiny communities which go unaware of each other, this might end up as some postmodern version of the Middle Ages. As I'm old-fashioned I don't think that's a good idea…
It doesn't make him utterly ignorant.
Well I insist it does because the first thing anyone with enough intellectual humility to get beyond utter ignorance would be to look up who this guy everyone is talking about was instead of repeating ad nauseam that they don't know anything about him, so this can't be objectively relevant.
What information gives that to anyone except the empty personal feelings of someone who needs to post something just because? I see this a lot lately, and it's just frankly boring noise, of the whiny kind.
And then goes with name-dropping and stating that people who can talk about popular culture can't possibly know anything high-brow, which it even isn't in this case (high-brow might be for instance Adorno's book on Mahler to give an example I could barely follow). It's utter ignorance assuming that everyone you're prejudiced against for inane reasons can't possibly be perchance better educated than you are, could you imagine, oh the horror. There are several varieties of utter ignorance at play here IMO.
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I don’t understand why would you want an illegal handball to not be provable?
The limitations of the referee were a part of the sport, which was always about humans and stories, not the mechanical application of rules. That's why we are here once again remembering the memorable moment that the Hand of God goal was.
Exactly right. Football grew to be what it was from the slums in Latin America. It's always been human, analog, with all the faults this may have - perfect in its imperfection. If you've grown up watching the game, many of the memories are about some poor (intentional or not) calls -- offsides that weren't, handballs that were let to pass, penalties that weren't called, etc. And we still talk about these moments (or even still argue about them) at social gatherings and coffee shops. That's part of the appeal of the game. Celebrating the humanity of it, with all its mishaps. Similar to e.g. a vinyl record vs a lossless FLAC multi-channel recording - no denying the latter is superior, but the former has bugs (imperfections) that for some are features. Sadly, with more and more $$ being poured into the game (at least for big leagues like UEFA CL), we've lost some of this "analog-ness" of the sport. You gain something by losing something else.
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#245A love/hate relationship with the English who I seem to remember voted the infamous Hand of God goal the worst, and the same match's blistering run and finish against them the best ever. Incredible talent, flawed man.
That match was played in 1986, just 4 years after the Falklands short war between Argentina and England, and it was the first time the two national teams met after that war. For those involved it meant a lot more than a football match. RIP Dieguito. I saw him at least a couple times live at the stadium in the 80s; he was out of this world.
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#246Earlier quoted context omitted.
The limitations of the referee were a part of the sport, which was always about humans and stories, not the mechanical application of rules. That's why we are here once again remembering the memorable moment that the Hand of God goal was.
Exactly right. Football grew to be what it was from the slums in Latin America. It's always been human, analog, with all the faults this may have - perfect in its imperfection. If you've grown up watching the game, many of the memories are about some poor (intentional or not) calls -- offsides that weren't, handballs that were let to pass, penalties that weren't called, etc. And we still talk about these moments (or…
I can get that analog simile... but not the toleration of cheating. Wasn't the 'hand of God' cheating? He knew he hand-balled and he didn't own up to it. To me that's such a grave betrayal of sportsmanship. Everyone else seems to see it as a bit of a joke? Why play at all if you're going to be dishonest? Seems like if we're going to tolerate that the whole thing is corrupt and rotten and has no honour.
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And I also didn't expect everyone abroad to respect Diego so much in this day and age. I think with his passing I'm getting to experience something that my generation has never experienced before, which is a glimpse into how the international community respects a part of Argentinian culture that is not grilled meat or Patagonia. My heart is also kinda warmed by the fact he left us the same day Fidel did.
Maybe it’s because I’m Italian, but Patagonia and grilled meat are honestly the last things I think about when I think Argentina, probably because I’ve sadly not been there yet. To me your country looks like long-haired footballers, Borges, Soriano, tango, Buenos Aires, desaparecidos, a president who looked like the guy on Fantasy Island (Menem), and all those magnificent comicbook artists the country somehow produce…
You named the one who must not be named.
https://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/carlos-menem-bad-luck-...
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#248Earlier quoted context omitted.
Maybe it’s because I’m Italian, but Patagonia and grilled meat are honestly the last things I think about when I think Argentina, probably because I’ve sadly not been there yet. To me your country looks like long-haired footballers, Borges, Soriano, tango, Buenos Aires, desaparecidos, a president who looked like the guy on Fantasy Island (Menem), and all those magnificent comicbook artists the country somehow produce…
You named the one who must not be named. https://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/carlos-menem-bad-luck-...
After the Scottish Play, the Argentinian Playboy...?
Thanks for the link, I had no idea.
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#249In case someone has not seen the second goal against England in 1986 Original footage: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wVho3I0NtU An interview many years later: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOz2uGMTA2w
Can someone explain to a soccer novice why this goal is special? It looks similar to lots of others to my untrained eye.
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#250Imagine if we had this silly VAR technology in the 80s. Then one of the most iconic moments in football history (hand of god) would have been reviewed and dismissed. RIP Diegito
It's iconic because it was controversial but he got away with it, also because he was anyway a truly exceptional player. First thing that comes to mind being his other goal in the same match. But otherwise using the hand to score a goal in football is not that much different from using a cheat device installed in a race car, taking an illegal shortcut in a marathon, or even performance enhancing drugs. Without drug t…
The hand and the shortcut are a different than the cheat device and the drugs.
One is premeditated. The other it’s not. Just like murders.