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Diego Maradona has died

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Re: Diego Maradona has died

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Post by hnsfu »

omaranto wrote: post #209
balabaster wrote: post #134

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I watched this game live in 1986... the atmosphere that day, in that heat and altitude they had to play in, even on the little 14" TV we had in our house was palpable. There was something about the quality of the colors, the weather, the camera work, even to this day you can distinguish the video from the '86 World Cup at a glance of just a couple of seconds. It still brings back such amazing memories from my childho…

The heat? I live in Mexico City, it's basically never hot here. That game was on June 22, and according to WolframAlpha that day had a high of 15C. I don't know if that data is accurate, but I can tell you a high of 15C in June is plausible. Even if Wolfram's data is sketchy, I'd bet the high temperature on that day was somewhere between 15C and 25C.

That's interesting, looks like it was hotter in the UK at that time. With temps as high as 31c. I bet if you asked most people from the UK what the weather is like in Mexico they would probably assume it's unbearably hot.

Re: Diego Maradona has died

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Post by herodoturtle »

andrepd wrote: post #115
mongol wrote: post #70

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This goal was incredible, but with many years passed, it has faded in significance for me. Not sure why, if it is because the game has evolved, or I have seen many other great goals, or something else. But probably because I think the defense was too passive. This goal would not be done today, most probably.

It's more than the play itself. It's the context. A world cup game (on of the best in recent decades at that), an Argentina x England after a war which precipitated massive change in Argentina, the whole atmosphere around that match. Then the hand of god, then that goal. It will be a legend remembered for centuries to come, in the memory and folklore of Argentinians especially, and of football lovers everywhere.

I cheers my Heineken to you, good sir.

Re: Diego Maradona has died

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Post by herodoturtle »

patrickk wrote: post #188
cm2012 wrote: post #151

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Can someone explain to a soccer novice why this goal is special? It looks similar to lots of others to my untrained eye.

If you ran for a few meters and tried to control a ball at your feet, you'd understand somewhat. Even that is extremely difficult to do well- shifting the ball and keeping it under control of your feet and away from defenders. Now try to imagine people trying to hack you down (totally normal defending back then) and tugging your shirt, in the blazing heat, at altitude, against a team that humiliated your country in a…

Nailed it. Good writing mate.

Re: Diego Maradona has died

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Post by herodoturtle »

rusk wrote: post #157
cm2012 wrote: post #151

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Can someone explain to a soccer novice why this goal is special? It looks similar to lots of others to my untrained eye.

What do you not get? He takes the ball from the half way line on a solo run past 6 of some of the best players in the world and manages to score, while being tackled . I’m not a sports aficionado so struggle to come up with analogy to another sport but let’s just say it’s like reverse engineering an nvidia driver in a few weeks using nothing but vi and hexdump. This was lauded as goal of the century.

Yeah man well said.

This goal was the 0x5f3759df of soccer.

Re: Diego Maradona has died

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Post by jmmag »

emilsedgh wrote: post #174
cm2012 wrote: post #151

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Can someone explain to a soccer novice why this goal is special? It looks similar to lots of others to my untrained eye.

So the importance of this goal was that Maradona dribbled pas almost the whole England team single highhandedly and humiliated them, restoring the pride of a nation (Argentina) who lost a war (Falklands War) before this to England.

Plus the fact that England invented football and were one of the best teams in the cup.

Re: Diego Maradona has died

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Post by I-M-S »

pvarangot wrote: post #187
santiagobasulto wrote: post #4

I’m from Argentina, this is a big deal for us. But I’d have never expected to see it in the front page of HN.

And I also didn't expect everyone abroad to respect Diego so much in this day and age. I think with his passing I'm getting to experience something that my generation has never experienced before, which is a glimpse into how the international community respects a part of Argentinian culture that is not grilled meat or Patagonia. My heart is also kinda warmed by the fact he left us the same day Fidel did.

My first association is El Eternauta.

And then Maradonna.

Re: Diego Maradona has died

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Post by [deleted] »

bmsleight_ wrote: post #108
gus_massa wrote: post #48

In case someone has not seen the second goal against England in 1986 Original footage: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wVho3I0NtU An interview many years later: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOz2uGMTA2w

But the first goal, broke my young heart. Can never forgive.

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Re: Diego Maradona has died

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Post by howlgarnish »

topicseed wrote: post #92
arrosenberg wrote: post #83

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Lionel Messi, same goal, 2004 (or thereabouts) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cAehMNYw0ig

Wish I was in a random bar in Barcelona when that happened. Always a huge pleasure to rewatch it.

Barcelona? Or Buenos Aires?

Re: Diego Maradona has died

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Post by PlugTunin »

mnl wrote: post #211
msla wrote: post #202

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> Are you aware that the World existed before the Internet or the year 2000 This is the weird, obsessive, gatekeeping vibe I'm talking about, as if not knowing one specific person from one specific country makes you utterly ignorant. I don't expect people like you to know about Emmy Noether, even though she was an important figure, and I certainly wouldn't degrade them for not knowing what she accomplished.

Maybe it does. I would consider you utterly ignorant if you didn't know anyone known by several billion people. There was this concept of general knowledge you used to aspire to which is becoming quickly replaced by the atomization of information among tiny communities which go unaware of each other, this might end up as some postmodern version of the Middle Ages. As I'm old-fashioned I don't think that's a good idea…

It doesn't make him utterly ignorant.
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