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Re: Diego Maradona has died

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correction: the greatest footballer of all time.

Messi is probably already the best football player of all time. Maradona had more charisma and leadership though.

The difference is that Messi so far failed to deliver a world cup. Just didn't happen. Maradona played a minor role in bringing home the 1978 world cup and took the lead role in closing the deal on the 1986 one. Messi has so far not delivered on that front.

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> It's possible that he was sort of a big deal? Where? I've never heard of him.

Hey, as you go on posting irrelevant variations of this, I'm just curious: how old are you? Are you aware that the World existed before the Internet or the year 2000 and that this guy happened to be the best player in the most popular sport in the World who also scored a goal that was considered pretty much impossible until ten years later a dude called Ronaldo (the original one) scored something like it against a mu…

> Are you aware that the World existed before the Internet or the year 2000

This is the weird, obsessive, gatekeeping vibe I'm talking about, as if not knowing one specific person from one specific country makes you utterly ignorant.

I don't expect people like you to know about Emmy Noether, even though she was an important figure, and I certainly wouldn't degrade them for not knowing what she accomplished.

Re: Diego Maradona has died

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Live is Life: https://youtu.be/4vashrNoXTE The atmosphere in the crowd and the skills without his boots tied up.

An away game. Full house. Very important European game. And this guy is just dancing around while juggling a ball in the air, untied boots, singing the song, feeling good.

Jurgen Klinsmann, who was playing for the home team that day, said a few of his teammates stopped warming up to watch him. I reckon the sight of this crazy little fella just psyched to dance and play ball, off-handedly showing more skills than most players on the planet will ever have, must have sowed quite a few seeds of doubt in Bayern’s players.

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Or maybe from a place where football is played by armored guys mostly using their hands ?

OK. I've still never heard of this person. I'm still not sure why everyone assumes everyone else must have heard of this person, and downvotes everyone who hasn't. There's a weird, exclusive, gatekeeping vibe going on here, and it's extremely unwelcoming to people who didn't have a very specific background growing up. My background didn't include whatever sport this person apparently played, so I don't know them, so…

That you hadn't heard of him was perhaps not sufficient basis for feelings of astonishment. I guess it's just surprising to people of a certain age, who overlooked the age/background of yourself and others. But I really don't think it was intended to be exclusionary or make you feel unwelcome. The down votes were probably b/c of the Michael Jordan comment. If there is a rule that every submission must have a tech, science or similar angle, it appears there are exceptions. And most people are OK with it.

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While a great football player, also serial abuser of minors. He had sex [and offspring] with many girls between 10 and 12. Even took pictures on the spot with some of them. Argentina is have a three day duel for this guy, portrayed as a hero, with honorific status. As someone born in Argentina, I can't help feeling disgust and shame on this.

These accusations are new to me.

He was definitely a drug addict, a tax cheat, an unfaithful husband, a horrible non-father to his bastard kid, and a pretty poor football coach. He likely had sex with young girls, in his wild years. But 10 or 12 seems a bit too much even for a coked-up sex fiend.

Re: Diego Maradona has died

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or maybe from a place where football is played by armored guys mostly using their hands ?

OK. I've still never heard of this person. I'm still not sure why everyone assumes everyone else must have heard of this person, and downvotes everyone who hasn't. There's a weird, exclusive, gatekeeping vibe going on here, and it's extremely unwelcoming to people who didn't have a very specific background growing up. My background didn't include whatever sport this person apparently played, so I don't know them, so…

Everyone is being unnecessarily rude to you. It really isn’t unreasonable that you wouldn’t have heard of this guy if you are some combination of an American, not a sports fan, and in your thirties or younger. However in his day he was considered one of the two best players all time in the most popular sport in the world. That resulted in a fame that far exceeded the world of sport. He also basked in the life of celebrity that ended up compounding his renown even further. He was probably at one point one of the 10 most famous people on the planet. It can therefore be surprising for people who lived through that time that other people might not be aware of him.

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Lionel Messi, same goal, 2004 (or thereabouts) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cAehMNYw0ig

Amazingly similar. I think it is better. Notice how the player that chases him does not slow the pace, but pushes on until he makes a failed attempt to break the play. Speed seems faster too. A good illustration of evolution of the game. Of course, we don't know if Maradona would still have scored with more effort from the English defense, maybe he would. In any case, two great goals.

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In case someone has not seen the second goal against England in 1986 Original footage: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wVho3I0NtU An interview many years later: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOz2uGMTA2w

I watched this game live in 1986... the atmosphere that day, in that heat and altitude they had to play in, even on the little 14" TV we had in our house was palpable. There was something about the quality of the colors, the weather, the camera work, even to this day you can distinguish the video from the '86 World Cup at a glance of just a couple of seconds. It still brings back such amazing memories from my childho…

The heat? I live in Mexico City, it's basically never hot here. That game was on June 22, and according to WolframAlpha that day had a high of 15C. I don't know if that data is accurate, but I can tell you a high of 15C in June is plausible. Even if Wolfram's data is sketchy, I'd bet the high temperature on that day was somewhere between 15C and 25C.

Re: Diego Maradona has died

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hey, as you go on posting irrelevant variations of this, I'm just curious: how old are you? Are you aware that the World existed before the Internet or the year 2000 and that this guy happened to be the best player in the most popular sport in the World who also scored a goal that was considered pretty much impossible until ten years later a dude called Ronaldo (the original one) scored something like it against a mu…

> Are you aware that the World existed before the Internet or the year 2000 This is the weird, obsessive, gatekeeping vibe I'm talking about, as if not knowing one specific person from one specific country makes you utterly ignorant. I don't expect people like you to know about Emmy Noether, even though she was an important figure, and I certainly wouldn't degrade them for not knowing what she accomplished.

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