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South Dakota nurse says many dying patients still insist Covid-19 'not real'

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Post by roywiggins »

telcal wrote: post #486
roywiggins wrote: post #231

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Everyone wears masks in NYC and there was no COVID uptick until the last month or so. even if it encourages risky behavior, there's no evidence that it does it enough to translate to higher spread overall, which is what matters. As long as the net impact doesn't increase transmission, they're not a problem.

"Everyone" wears masks in NYC? I don't know where exactly you're talking about but that's definitely not true. Certain neighborhoods are better than others but even so there are tons who don't.

There are neighborhoods that are much less mask-compliant than others, but in my day-to-day, the vast majority of people I see are in masks. It's certainly enough to say that wearing masks doesn't make COVID spread worse at a population level.

The worst neighborhoods for COVID over the summer were ones that were known for poor mask compliance, anyway.

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Post by kev_da_dev »

robertoandred wrote: post #490
kev_da_dev wrote: post #359

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When are we going to stop playing the blame game in regards to COVID? When it's cases in middle America surging, observers are "not surprised". How can this comment be taken as anything but scorn and disdain for rural Americans? It's repugnant. Where was this same sentiment when places like NYC were getting swamped with Covid? Anyone? I'm so damn tired of this holier-than-thou approach to COVID, and life in general.…

The sentiment was everywhere. Rural and suburban areas thinking that NYC deserved it and that it just couldn't happen where they were. And then they refused the fruits of the lessons learned in New York because it just couldn't happen where they were.

People want to complain about the polarization of middle america, but it's mostly BS. What you see online or on the news is not at all indicative of these areas. By that, I mean, these areas are not swarming with people who "refused the fruits of the lessons" of NYC and other places. And I've met VERY few, if any, who thought that NY et. al somehow deserved the pandemic spread.

Where are you getting this information from, if you don't mind me asking?

I'm not sure where you're getting your facts from, but I've been travelling all throughout the MidWest and the South for work this past year. Most people are plenty concerned about Covid, wear masks, etc. It's a highly contagious disease that no country, except for a very select few, have gotten under control in any way.

Once again, I think the country would be a lot better if we just stopped pointing fingers like this.

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Post by kev_da_dev »

Rexxar wrote: post #489
kev_da_dev wrote: post #359

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When are we going to stop playing the blame game in regards to COVID? When it's cases in middle America surging, observers are "not surprised". How can this comment be taken as anything but scorn and disdain for rural Americans? It's repugnant. Where was this same sentiment when places like NYC were getting swamped with Covid? Anyone? I'm so damn tired of this holier-than-thou approach to COVID, and life in general.…

I'm not American and I don't live in USA. But when a communication center with high density of population is infected at the beginning of a new epidemic it's quite logical this happening. When the pandemic expand to low density areas 6/7 months later when we know a lot of ways to reduce the contaminations, it's not normal this is hapenning.

The entire western world is getting blasted by the 2nd wave of the pandemic. Germany, France, the UK, Spain, Italy. The list goes on & on.

Please explain to me how this is "not normal"

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Post by xadhominemx »

salmon30salmon wrote: post #287
NathanKP wrote: post #259

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> the unintended consequences of drastic policies are economic hardship, creating a new generation of homelessness, drug and alcohol addiction, and deaths of despair. None of these things are inevitable. For example China arguably implemented some extremely drastic policies and they are doing just fine now. New Zealand did the same. In the United States we are just doing an incredibly bad job at this. Too many people…

The way China controlled the virus is legally impossible in the United States. You simply can't confine someone to their home without due process. New Zealand is an island that, for all intents and purposes, closed their ports to human travel. Early in COVID, everyone suddenly became statisticians and had opinions on exponential growth, and while most of their proclamations were ill-informed, the truth remains that o…

You’ve been completely wrong about everything so far. Might be time to just give it a rest.

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Post by rzz3 »

bb88 wrote: post #459
rzz3 wrote: post #320

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Facial recognition everywhere is a horrifying thought.

Some might see a million dead people as a worse thought. I don't really like the idea of facial recognition, but the political class lives in a public facing world where every move they make is scrutinized. So they see the world maybe differently than when they're private citizens.

I guess it depends where each person falls on the “freedom vs safety” spectrum. I’m strongly on the “freedom” side. But I feel it’s a perspective based in some objectivity, as it’s generally a lot easier for one to protect themselves than to free themselves.

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Post by pinneycolton »

ralusek wrote: post #42
sonotathrowaway wrote: post #16

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Telling you uncomfortable truths isn’t a hipaa violation, as the law was not written to protect your feelings.

I mean...many uncomfortable truths ARE HIPAA violations. What makes it NOT a HIPAA violation is that it's just general/anonymized anecdata. I can't go up to someone and be like "Alice Rosenstein has cervical cancer, sorry if that's an uncomfortable truth, but the law wasn't written to protect your feelings." That would, in fact, be a HIPAA violation.

Technically, that's only a HIPAA violation if you're a provider or are handling data given to you by a provider.

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Post by djsumdog »

SnowProblem wrote: post #265

Can someone help me understand something? Back in March, we had ~40k new cases per day, and were seeing ~3k deaths per day. Today, we have ~140k new cases per day, but our deaths seem to be ~1k per day, and haven't risen much with rise in cases since September. What explains this? Were we not testing as much in March, and really our cases were ~200k per day? Or were the populations that got sick in March somehow diff…

More testing and the PCR iterations are off the scale (over 40). They're basically picking up tons of false positives. With that type of PCR testing, it's like picking up background radiation with a Geiger counter and saying you've been exposed to deadly radiation.

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Post by djsumdog »

jdhn wrote: post #35

I feel like I've seen versions of this story pop up throughout the year, and it seems that others have too [0]. I guess I remain skeptical as to whether this actually happened until more proof can be provided. [0] https://twitter.com/annbauerwriter/status/132853834817300480...

You are right to be skeptical. Wired found tons of issues with it:

https://www.wired.com/story/are-covid-patients-gasping-it-is...

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Post by whammywon »

ryandrake wrote: post #363
throwaway0a5e wrote: post #343

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The states aren't run by stupid people. They're not gonna send in some state cops start shooting people over masks or to escalate in that direction. They don't have the manpower to enforce mask mandates without the consent of the governed. Their options for projecting power into areas where people have relatively homogeneously chosen to not comply are limited.

There are plenty of examples of unpopular rules successfully enforced, from school integration to the War On Drugs. The lack of mask/distancing enforcement is purely government cowardice and indifference. They could do it if they wanted to. Publicly fire a few county bumpkin Sheriffs who refuse to enforce the mandates and you'd see an attitude change.

AFAIK most (all?) sheriffs can't be fired. They're elected county officials, so maybe they could be impeached but I really don't think they can be just outright fired like that.

Also, I would imagine many of the sheriffs that refuse to enforce mandates probably have considerable support from their constituents. Surely that would make their impeachment a significantly more difficult ordeal for whatever agency is responsible for the impeachment proceedings.

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