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South Dakota nurse says many dying patients still insist Covid-19 'not real'

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Post by thelean12 »

Diederich wrote: post #195
dkural wrote: post #119

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Why do you think they're good and smart, why do they think Covid19 is a hoax? Surely a good person would try to do the safe thing even if they had doubts.

I worked with a guy named Danny many years ago. He was one of the smartest programmers I'd ever met. Not only did he write great code, but he also always maintained an excellent connection to the his customers who would use the programs he wrote. This was in a hospital. Personally, he was kind, generous, excellent family man. He never really talked too much about politics, didn't care too much for it. He also helped…

Sorry, that means they're not smart. They might be a good programmer and a family man, but they're not smart. If you are able to fall for "Covid19 was a hoax perpetrated by China to help Joe Biden get elected" in the modern day, then you are not smart.

It's one thing when you're not able to get information, like way back in the day when we had no real world explanations for lots of things, and had to work with what you've heard from word of mouth. But now? There's no excuse.

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Post by guenthert »

roywiggins wrote: post #238
guenthert wrote: post #178

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The cost is the alarming sight, causing the economic crisis. In Santa Clara/CA so far only some 400 people died of COVID-19, i.e. about 2 a day, while some 40 a day die of unrelated causes. Yet, if you step outside, you might think the Zombie apocalypse is happening.

I find people not wearing masks much more alarming than people not wearing them. I am much more alarmed at the prospect of mass death than people wearing jaunty masks.

In Sweden, where there's little mandated, so far only some 6000 out of 10 million died of COVID-19. That is significant (in the statistical sense), but hardly mass death (given that in the relevant time frame some 40000 died of unrelated causes).

Masks alone don't cause the widespread panic, mass media did their part.

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Post by foogazi »

guenthert wrote: post #178
whalesalad wrote: post #45

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Even if 10 years from now we discover that wearing a mask was a completely pointless endeavor .... the cost of wearing a mask is SO LOW that it is worth doing it. But it is scientifically proven to limit the rate of the spread, which is the least I can do to protect myself and those around me. I don't care if I get covid ... I don't think it will kill me based on my vitals. However, we don't fully understand the long…

The cost is the alarming sight, causing the economic crisis. In Santa Clara/CA so far only some 400 people died of COVID-19, i.e. about 2 a day, while some 40 a day die of unrelated causes. Yet, if you step outside, you might think the Zombie apocalypse is happening.

Is that a 5% increase in mortality from a disease that didn’t exist a year ago?

Looking at it another way: I don’t smoke because I don’t want to risk pulmonary disease. Am I hurting the economy?

I don’t expect everyone to care about my life (maybe I’ll cause a blip in some chart) - but I do above almost everything else.

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Post by aaronbrethorst »

eej71 wrote: post #209
whalesalad wrote: post #45

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Even if 10 years from now we discover that wearing a mask was a completely pointless endeavor .... the cost of wearing a mask is SO LOW that it is worth doing it. But it is scientifically proven to limit the rate of the spread, which is the least I can do to protect myself and those around me. I don't care if I get covid ... I don't think it will kill me based on my vitals. However, we don't fully understand the long…

A counter point to consider - and one that I consider to be a little more rational - is that - what if in the messaging to get people to wear masks - we have inadvertantly encouraged riskier behavior? As an analogy, I'd explain it like this. What if in the process to encourage people to wear seatbelts, drivers who did that then felt entitled to drive even faster thus resulting in even worse accidents and more frequen…

what if in the messaging to get people to wear masks - we have inadvertantly encouraged riskier behavior?

It doesn't.

https://twitter.com/zeynep/status/1259865394044690433

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Post by Abundnce10 »

ed25519FUUU wrote: post #226

I have three small children who have not been sick ONCE since the lockdowns started. They barely have seen another child, let alone played with them in close proximity. Do you think this is good news? No, it actually puts them at much higher risk of childhood leukemia and that scares me much more than them getting covid 19[1]. Articles like this strike me as propaganda. You can believe that covid 19 is real and covid…

> Articles like this strike me as propaganda. You can believe that covid 19 is real and covid 19 is deadly but still be against lock downs, despite what the propaganda would have you believe.

How is this article propaganda? The nurse said, "many of her patients don't believe they are dying of COVID-19".

The patients weren't arguing against the lock down, they were arguing that the virus isn't real.

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Post by salmon30salmon »

NathanKP wrote: post #259
anonfornoreason wrote: post #181

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Not the original poster, but I would imagine it echos what I have seen (and believe myself) in that it’s not a hoax as is normally defined, but a mass hysteria fueled by a media that needs clicks to survive. The risks are real for certain demographics, we need to take precautions to help vulnerable people, etc. however the unintended consequences of drastic policies are economic hardship, creating a new generation of…

> the unintended consequences of drastic policies are economic hardship, creating a new generation of homelessness, drug and alcohol addiction, and deaths of despair. None of these things are inevitable. For example China arguably implemented some extremely drastic policies and they are doing just fine now. New Zealand did the same. In the United States we are just doing an incredibly bad job at this. Too many people…

The way China controlled the virus is legally impossible in the United States. You simply can't confine someone to their home without due process.

New Zealand is an island that, for all intents and purposes, closed their ports to human travel.

Early in COVID, everyone suddenly became statisticians and had opinions on exponential growth, and while most of their proclamations were ill-informed, the truth remains that one infection can spiral out of control quickly. With a disease that exhibits nearly 40% asymptomatic rates and is aerosolized, there is no eradication. It will be with us in waves until we are immune via natural immunity or vaccinations.

If New Zealand opened their ports today to the same levels as the United States' ports, they would quickly see a spike.

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Post by Forbo »

Impashin wrote: post #270
uoaei wrote: post #264

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"The state" refers to the governing apparatus, not a particular state within the union. I understand there may be some confusion if you are not familiar with the US government and typical ways of talking about it.

https://constitution.congress.gov/constitution/amendment-10/ Please cite me where the power to enact a requirement to wear masks is explicitly granted to the federal government. I'll wait.

According to the Bar Association, the Commerce Clause and Public Health Service Act is what you're looking for.

https://www.americanbar.org/news/abanews/publications/yourab...

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Post by _Microft »

ed25519FUUU wrote: post #226

I have three small children who have not been sick ONCE since the lockdowns started. They barely have seen another child, let alone played with them in close proximity. Do you think this is good news? No, it actually puts them at much higher risk of childhood leukemia and that scares me much more than them getting covid 19[1]. Articles like this strike me as propaganda. You can believe that covid 19 is real and covid…

If it helps, this is from the same article (here again: [0]) and sounds like you do not have to worry too much about this. All the best to you and your family!

"Can I reduce my child's risk of acute lymphoblastic leukaemia?

The evidence isn't well enough established to suggest definitive recommendations that will reduce risk of child leukaemia.

[...]

Obviously, parents make their decisions about childcare based on a number of factors. They should not worry that they are endangering their child by not sending them to a nursery or day care.

And while most childhood infections are benign, some less common ones bring their own set of serious risks. So this review certainly shouldn't be taken as an encouragement to ditch important methods of infection prevention, such as frequent handwashing and making sure your child's vaccinations are up to date."

[0] https://www.nhs.uk/news/cancer/child-leukaemia-linked-reduce...

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Post by dumbfoundded »

irq11 wrote: post #214
coding123 wrote: post #107

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It's actually the state governments that's at fault here. Not the specifically the people. Let me tell you I was in back-country Oregon recently, some of the MOST republican places within Oregon, not going to name drop the county. Anyway, the Oregon state government is very much democratic (cause you know Portland). But because of that, even the republican counties are under a mask order. And the extremely red counti…

Oregon’s cases are skyrocketing: https://covid-19.direct/state/OR Much of this is in Portland: https://covid-19.direct/county/OR/Multnomah

Cases are skyrocketing everywhere. While your statement is true, it's extremely misleading.

Oregon is 47th place in terms of population adjusted total cases. In terms of number of absolute new cases, Oregon is 40th. Every state with fewer absolute new cases than Oregon is smaller with the exception of Lousiana. Oregon has done a fantastic job of handling Covid.

(1) https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/ .

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