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YouTube will now show ads on all videos even if creators don’t want them

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Re: YouTube will now show ads on all videos even if creators don’t want them

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Post by 648d361 »

darrylb42 wrote: post #341
eplanit wrote: post #219

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is superficially sad, but as you point out the 2nd order effects are really positive. Google has really done us all a favor by being actually more authentic: they're saying "We're an Advertising company ." (the period is said out loud). They are a tech company insofar as it serves their ad business. They're not a general tech company, and they have no interests or pursuits in anything else unless it is to develop…

YouTube premium gets rid of all the ads, unless creators have embedded them in the video. There is lots of good content for toddlers on YouTube, but it is unwatchable with ads. I watch more myself now all the ads are gone, plus you get youtube music, not as good as spotify but good enough.

I recently found this and use it to get and retain all the videos I like (not just from youtube), it's super simple which is exactly why I like it: https://github.com/tomszilagyi/copycat

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Post by tombert »

Ugh. I don't want to make Youtube a career or anything, so I figured if I ever reach 1000 subscribers I'd disable them since I really don't like watching ads for myself.

Now Youtube is going to put ads on my stuff, and I don't get any money for it, so really the worst of both worlds.

Re: YouTube will now show ads on all videos even if creators don’t want them

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Post by anoncake »

Eupolemos wrote: post #464
zwkrt wrote: post #377

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I can't believe that you actually decided to be held hostage by google and pay them to remove content that they would otherwise only put in front of you if you were looking. Its like paying a restaurant not to harass you and then going to it when you could just go to the restaurant next door without the protection fee. There is also a lot of good content for toddlers IRL.

> held hostage by google... Its like paying a restaurant not to harass you... This level of entitlement is just staggering. You can pay for YouTube in two ways; watch adds or pay for add free. Now, I get that the price for watching adds right now is too high. It simply ruins most content. But your metaphors are still just way out there. In reality there are now 3 "tiers". - Premium. Pay with money. - Get a free taste…

You can't "pay" by watching ads. Watching ads is a harmful and non-productive activity, so it's impossible to be obligated to do it.

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Post by Cu3PO42 »

ryandrake wrote: post #330
leipert wrote: post #80

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Been using a different mail provider for 5 years. Just the other month google deleted my gmail account (had it set up to delete after a year of no-login) It is quite easy to migrate: 1. get a new mail account 2. forward everything from your gmail account 3. sort everything GMail into a separate folder in your new account 4. slowly change email addresses in accounts and let people know your new address. I think after…

I did pretty much a similar thing years ago, but went self-hosted. It took a year or so including the transition phase. 1. Set up incoming E-mail forwarding from mydomain.org to Gmail. Exim will do this, probably all popular mail packages support forwarding well. 2. Start sending E-mail (from Gmail's interface) as me@mydomain.org, and tell your friends to use that one. 2.5. (optional) Get your local mail client to wo…

I tried self hosting. And even with SPF and DKIM set up correctly my e-mails to Outlook.com (and assocciated other domains) was just dropped. It didn't go to the spam folder, it was just silently dropped. At the time I heard that this was essentially expected behavior for an IP without a good enough trust record. This even happened when I replied to mail sent from an Outlook.com account. Having my e-mail randomly not reach its intended recipient was and is still unacceptable to me, so I bit the bullet and paid for hosting on my own domain. And while I'm still not happy about paying for hosting that I have sufficient capacity for on my own servers, I have otherwise been happy with it "just working".

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Post by dublinben »

pletsch wrote: post #368
darrylb42 wrote: post #341

Earlier quoted context omitted.

YouTube premium gets rid of all the ads, unless creators have embedded them in the video. There is lots of good content for toddlers on YouTube, but it is unwatchable with ads. I watch more myself now all the ads are gone, plus you get youtube music, not as good as spotify but good enough.

How is the mobile experience for YT Music? Looking at switching, I imagine they have the desktop experience down. I love Spotify, but I can't imagine a worse experience outside of their mobile app. The web player was nice but fails to load music two-three times per listening session (to be fair, they are usually 5-8hrs), the desktop application is slow, clunky, and will regularly not play music I have downloaded.

Truly painful. On iOS it regularly fails to keep playing the next song in a playlist, which is pretty much unforgivable for a music app.

Here's a longer list of grievances from users who were forced to migrate from Google Play Music: https://www.reddit.com/r/googleplaymusic/comments/icmwdf/one...

Re: YouTube will now show ads on all videos even if creators don’t want them

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Post by tombert »

jonathankoren wrote: post #253
kmeisthax wrote: post #218

I have YouTube Premium, so this doesn't affect me as a YouTube viewer. However, this is the sort of foundational service change that you simply don't do ten years into a lucrative partner program without a good reason. "It's 2020 and our investors are hungry for growth" is not a good enough reason, IMO. Any good business needs to keep it's goals aligned with it's customers or it will stop being a good business and pe…

> However, this is the sort of foundational service change that you simply don't do ten years into a lucrative partner program without a good reason. YouTube is a monopoly. This is exactly the type of things monopolies do. Yes, there are other places to upload videos to watch on demand, but they’re much smaller, less well known, and just more niche. > "Changing the deal" in a very big way like this makes your custome…

> There aren’t any obviously viable alternatives for long form videos.

There are plenty of alternatives in some sense; stuff like Bitchute exists and allows you to post whatever you want and it works well enough, but the reason I don't go on there is that it seems like a lot of the content is basically just neo-Nazi crap, which of course I don't really want to watch.

And I suppose that's kind of the issues; YouTube has become so normalized that it's sort of impossible for alternative video sites to reach a similar scale, and the ones that do pop up inherently start appealing mostly to the fringe groups that aren't safe for YouTube.

Re: YouTube will now show ads on all videos even if creators don’t want them

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Post by prvc »

Aunche wrote: post #183
cableshaft wrote: post #4

I know there are several content creators (such as Jim Sterling) that have their videos ad-free as a perk for their supporters (since he's supported enough via Patreon). He's pretty angry about this change. I somewhat understand Google's stance on this, as it's a service that should be allowed to make money even on people who don't want to make money. They don't really have such a way to opt out of pretty much any ot…

> I know there are several content creators (such as Jim Sterling) that have their videos ad-free as a perk for their supporters (since he's supported enough via Patreon). He's pretty angry about this change. That just comes off as entitled. Youtube is providing free bandwidth, hosting, and advertising for his patreon.

Precisely. If he's selling ad-free versions, he can just host them himself.
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