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YouTube will now show ads on all videos even if creators don’t want them

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Post by mdoms »

nickjj wrote: post #148

Edit: I just talked to YouTube support directly and yep it's exactly what I anticipated below. It only affects channels not yet in the YPP. Larger channels who are in the YPP but explicitly choose not to monetize videos will not get these new ads placed into their videos. At least not with this TOS change. Original comment: The wording of this isn't 100% crystal clear but I have a feeling this article might be making…

"It's not as bad as it seems because it doesn't affect me personally". Thanks for your input mate.

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Post by intricatedetail »

Droobfest wrote: post #7
eznzt wrote: post #2

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I think technically it would be pretty easy for google to embed ads into videos in a way that would be hard to impossible to block.

I think in many countries content that is an ad must be clearly marked by law. Should be easy to skip.

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Post by kazinator »

IgniteTheSun wrote: post #366
darrylb42 wrote: post #341

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YouTube premium gets rid of all the ads, unless creators have embedded them in the video. There is lots of good content for toddlers on YouTube, but it is unwatchable with ads. I watch more myself now all the ads are gone, plus you get youtube music, not as good as spotify but good enough.

Cable TV started as paid ad-free TV also. It now has so many ads that it is almost unwatchable at times. One wonders how much further YouTube can take this - it appears they are approaching the optimal point for extracting revenue from videos, so where is their future revenue growth going to come from? I miss the YouTube of old rather than this commercialized version. To me, Tik Tok seems like more like the original…

> Cable TV started as paid ad-free TV also.

Not true. Cable TV started by simply sending a copy of broadcast TV over coaxial cable, giving the user a more reliable signal (better picture and sound) compared to a "rabbit ears" antenna, and access to programs from distant cities beyond the limits of good radio reception. That broadcast TV, of course, was a live signal which contained ads in the signal that could not be removed.

Cable TV also offered the end user a convenient box with a digital channel number display and remote control for changing channels. The user was able to flip among dozens of channels without having to fiddle with the UHF/VHF tuning controls of their TV: they tuned the TV to channel 3 (or whatever) and could just leave it, letting the cable box do the channel selection. Cable TV was a major upgrade to the TV set. In particular to a basic model or old TV with only knobs for channel selection, no remote.

Cable TV did offer premium programs also, requiring a "descrambler". Those channels were collectively called "pay TV"; separate from regular broadcast TV. These channels were satellite channels; the user could have obtained them alternatively by installing a dish, and paying for the descrambling.

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Post by Eupolemos »

zwkrt wrote: post #377
darrylb42 wrote: post #341

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YouTube premium gets rid of all the ads, unless creators have embedded them in the video. There is lots of good content for toddlers on YouTube, but it is unwatchable with ads. I watch more myself now all the ads are gone, plus you get youtube music, not as good as spotify but good enough.

I can't believe that you actually decided to be held hostage by google and pay them to remove content that they would otherwise only put in front of you if you were looking. Its like paying a restaurant not to harass you and then going to it when you could just go to the restaurant next door without the protection fee. There is also a lot of good content for toddlers IRL.

> held hostage by google... Its like paying a restaurant not to harass you...

This level of entitlement is just staggering. You can pay for YouTube in two ways; watch adds or pay for add free.

Now, I get that the price for watching adds right now is too high. It simply ruins most content. But your metaphors are still just way out there.

In reality there are now 3 "tiers". - Premium. Pay with money. - Get a free taste. Choose if you want it. - Unwatchable content.

I don't think that is going to work out for YouTube in the long run. But shaming people for being willing to pay for actual loads and loads of quality content is not constructive.

On the other hand, I _am_ glad if this means that random, prudish advertising companies will hold less sway over YouTube at some point in the future, where subscriptions make up a bigger part of the revenue.

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Post by jariel »

cowpig wrote: post #286
jariel wrote: post #245

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Not really though. Discounting is fine, it's done everywhere. It's 'anti competitive' usually only in the context of international trade rules, when government subsidies business units to 'dump' on other countries. Changing your price over time for whatever reasons you want is generally fine unless you're price fixing or doing some kind of illegal type of price discrimination. The competitive bit comes in more due to…

This is plainly incorrect. It's called "Predatory Pricing"[1] and it's illegal. [1] https://www.investopedia.com/terms/p/predatory-pricing.asp

No, making YouTube free, and then deciding 15 years later to adjust the policy for ads is not 'illegal'.

The amount of narrative promoting here on HN is distressing.

Google does some nice things, some not so much nice things.

Because they adjust their advertising policy doesn't make them either illegal actors or pariahs.

There's no evidence indication that this is 'predatory pricing'.

Again - if there is an issue, it's with their ownership of Search, Mobile towards prioritizing other products.

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Post by neltnerb »

bsd44 wrote: post #118

As a content consumer I see this as a positive thing for me. A few months ago when YouTube decided to auto-add ads on all videos, my watch time on YouTube decreased by more than 50% since I consume all video content on either my phone or my tablet (where I don't have access to AdBlock), and I find the amount of ads I have to go through to watch a video so annoying that I'd rather not watch it at all. As a result I sp…

I have posted tutorials and art on YouTube since before they were Google.

I am also glad that this move has finally given me the push needed to delete my channel entirely. I don't try to make money off it, I have no interest in Google getting to.

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Post by Larrikin »

Corrado wrote: post #285
rv-de wrote: post #203

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That's a very good point! Add to that YT's abysmal organization of subscribed channels and their terrible recommendation engine. I have to say I really like it.

I have to agree about the recommendation engine. I know there is a lot of interesting new content that I might be interested in uploaded every day, but for some reason it's recommending years old videos that I've already watched AND voted on. WTF?!

The recommendation engine was intentionally crippled because it was radicalizing people who were into conspiracy theories, militias, terroristic acts, etc. It sucks but I assume there's some work being done to get a new engine out without sending people down a rabbit hole.

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Post by zwkrt »

nicpottier wrote: post #457
zwkrt wrote: post #377

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I can't believe that you actually decided to be held hostage by google and pay them to remove content that they would otherwise only put in front of you if you were looking. Its like paying a restaurant not to harass you and then going to it when you could just go to the restaurant next door without the protection fee. There is also a lot of good content for toddlers IRL.

> Its like paying a restaurant not to harass you and then going to it when you could just go to the restaurant next door without the protection fee. No, it's like paying the restaurant for the damn food. YouTube hosting all the world's videos forever is not a god given right, nor is being able to watch content people create for free. I despise ads, absolutely despise them, but gladly pay YouTube the $15/mo to remove…

I disagree that it is like it is paying for the food. If I had youtube premium and my entire $10 went to only the creators of the videos I watched using some egalitarian algorithm, then I would be into it. However, it is actually more like Spotify where some portion of my $10 (lets say $7, even though it is probably lower) gets put into a large pool and then distributed among all content creators on the site along with everyone else's premium money.

I have a patreon which I budget $20/mo to actually pay the creators that I care about. Don't kid yourself into thinking your YT premium money is going anywhere except unboxing videos and Minecraft screaming videos and the like.

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Post by mbirth »

jaypeg25 wrote: post #297
nineplay wrote: post #196

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Reddit recently limited the number of comments you can read in Safari on iOS devices. Click "more" and you are prompted to create an account or go to their app. It's been fantastic. Reddit comments decrease rapidly in quality anyway, but I was unable to look away. Now I'm capped - one or two scrolls and I have to go find something more rewarding to do. Thanks reddit!

I had an iPHone for a few months and noticed my reddit time dropped considerably. Part of it was because iPhone (or Reddit? I don't even know who is to blame here) wouldn't let me choose the reddit app I wanted as the default. If a friend sent a reddit link to me it'd try and open in Safari and I'd get annoyed and just ignore it. I'm back on Android now where I can choose default apps and now if a friend sends a link…

The integration in iOS is a bit different. With e.g. Apollo installed, you need to "Share" the Reddit page from Safari with the "Open in Apollo" target and it'll open in Apollo.
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