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South Dakota nurse says many dying patients still insist Covid-19 'not real'

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Re: South Dakota nurse says many dying patients still insist Covid-19 'not real'

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I’d say the basis in the US is freedoms guaranteed by The Constitution, just like the basis for smoking, drinking, using recreational drugs, having an unhealthy diet, riding a motorcycle, not exercising regularly, etc.

To choose not to wear a mask is not like your other examples, because it increases not only the risk to yourself, but to those around you. I don't necessarily think your posts should be getting flagged, but you seem to be arguing in bad faith.

I would say several of those examples actually do increase increase risk to others, second hand smoke, being incapacitated by drugs or alcohol can often put others at risk for a number of reasons, etc. Furthermore, I would think that other behaviors, like having an unhealthy diet or not getting enough exercise put an increased burden on society which is borne by others, even if they are not put at risk.

Re: South Dakota nurse says many dying patients still insist Covid-19 'not real'

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Obviously, it isn't right to be rude to nurses but it probably also isn't right to sneer at people on their deathbed who don't want to accept that they're dying or really understand why, and blame them for their disease even though we have no idea how they got it. I think some people dying in hospitals from COVID have a right to be mad at the medical system. Did these patients get any of the 5+ antiviral or immunomod…

>5+ antiviral or immunomodulatory drugs with published successful RCTs

I don't think that number is at all accurate. Dexamethasone is really the only thing that fits your description. People think of remdesivir, but the data on that are still quite ambiguous.

Re: South Dakota nurse says many dying patients still insist Covid-19 'not real'

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What a bad take. Disregard for covid precautions is the reason we have an outsized outbreak in the US. The outbreak in SD, despite the state’s low population density, will spread to other states.

The outbreak in the US is not particularly "outsized" compared to other developed countries: https://ig.ft.com/coronavirus-chart/?areas=usa&areas=fra&are...

This is not meant to be a rebuttal to your comment, but a discussion.

Consider the case of South Korea and Japan.

1. Dense populations.

2. Very little Covid19.

3. Relatively low lock-down related economic impact.

4. Nearly universal mask wear.

Honest question: what else do we need to know?

I strongly suspect that if the United States, or any other country, had nearly universal mask wearing, we'd have a strong economy AND pretty low infection rates.

I'd love for somebody 'in the know' to modify/correct any of my assertions.

Re: South Dakota nurse says many dying patients still insist Covid-19 'not real'

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The outbreak in the US is not particularly "outsized" compared to other developed countries: https://ig.ft.com/coronavirus-chart/?areas=usa&areas=fra&are...

Look at Australia and New Zealand. Both free and open societies with high per capita GDP. They both have achieved zero community transmission through stringent travel restrictions and a nationwide strategy. It’s disgraceful that we can’t do the same or better in the US.

In both NZ and Australia it took real leadership by government, and a population overwhelmingly willing to listen to them and to follow the science.

(In Australia's case it has been leadership by state government over the complete opposite by their federal government)

Re: South Dakota nurse says many dying patients still insist Covid-19 'not real'

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>there is literal mass delusion out there far left and far right. What delusion is the "far left" believing in, in your opinion?

I believe it’s a platitude of “fair centrism”, not for its concrete weight but it’s symbolism in addressing “both sides”. Veracity and sincerity come to question, when I see this.

If you think that's what the "far left" are advocating for, your Overton window is so far right that you can't even see the left.

Re: South Dakota nurse says many dying patients still insist Covid-19 'not real'

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My wife and I just moved from Orange County, CA to Detroit, MI this last August. We decided to drive the northern route. Heading through Vegas, Utah, Yellowstone and Montana. Then onward through the plains of North Dakota and Minnesota. Turning north we entered Wisconsin and finally the UP (Upper Peninsula) of Michigan. After a few days exploring we turned south to Detroit. In Vegas the concern for masks started to w…

Watching the divergent responses by governors & states who, more generally, trust scientific experts (E.g., Hogan in Maryland, Inslee in WA), vs governors who don't...

I'm glad I live in WA. If I lived in one of those other states, I would look for work, then move when I found it. Family ties, whatever; wouldn't matter. It's a clear breakdown of competent government; time to leave for a better place. For myself and even more, my kid. Not particularly related to urban/suburban/rural divides. Nor per se even Dem vs GOP.

Re: South Dakota nurse says many dying patients still insist Covid-19 'not real'

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Yes, the pandemic fatigue is real. Yes, it would be wonderful to hang out with my friends in person, or to drive 100 miles crossing the border to go visit my children. But the reason this is lasting so long, and things are shutting back down is because people are ignoring the truth. You can talk about the economy all day long, but the fact of the matter is that if we all would’ve taken this seriously and shut everyth…

The country dealing better than any other with Covid has been Taiwan. No lockdown and > 200 days without new Covid case [1] see e.g. [2] for how they did it. It probably helped having had an epidemiologist as vice-president [3]. Russia is winning. Why did you have to end an otherwise insightful post with a many-times debunked conspiracy theory? May I recommend removing the last paragraph? [1] https://www.theguardian.…

>Why did you have to end an otherwise insightful post with a many-timed debunked conspiracy theory?

I believe they're making the extraordinary claim that Russia is solely responsible for Americans not believing in mask wearing, as if Russia is in total control of the most wealthy & strong country in the history of the planet. Americans love a bogeyman to distract from the reality of a completely politically split country who create their own misinformation and spreads it under their own power through domestic social media.

Re: South Dakota nurse says many dying patients still insist Covid-19 'not real'

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Your view of "mainstream" news does not fit at all with what I have seen.

Progressives, specifically progressives focusing on class and economics (as opposed to culture and identity) and conservatives tend to see "mainstream" news the same way: aligned with Democratic establishment, wholly center-left and actively hostile not only to their political goals, but hostile to them personally through actions like pushing social media to ban their speech.

Is that not how you see it?

Re: South Dakota nurse says many dying patients still insist Covid-19 'not real'

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post #77

Politics seems to be a factor here, but I wonder how much of this has to do with popular culture. Over the last 20 years we've been bombarded with metric tons of Apocalypse porn, a lot of it focused on killer viruses. Most of those movies are unrealistic to put it mildly. Zombies. Deserted cities. Rotting corpses on sidewalks. Visible, palpable nauseating death. This pandemic is nothing like those movies. I know of n…

Contagion feels like a stretch because everyone has PPE.

News teams aren't sending camera crews into the overflow hospitals being setup. Hard to show full hospitals ("rooms are full" doesn't look good on TV), nor could TV crews go into Patient rooms and show what it looks like (social media is doing this, but typically for patient's who are surviving as personal accounts).

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