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South Dakota nurse says many dying patients still insist Covid-19 'not real'

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Re: South Dakota nurse says many dying patients still insist Covid-19 'not real'

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Post by matz1 »

whalesalad wrote: post #45
Claudus wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Out of curiosity, what is your basis for wearing a mask?

Even if 10 years from now we discover that wearing a mask was a completely pointless endeavor .... the cost of wearing a mask is SO LOW that it is worth doing it. But it is scientifically proven to limit the rate of the spread, which is the least I can do to protect myself and those around me. I don't care if I get covid ... I don't think it will kill me based on my vitals. However, we don't fully understand the long…

>cost of wearing a mask is SO LOW that it is worth doing it

tell that to people work in warehouse/food service. Its makes they already hard job even more harder.

Re: South Dakota nurse says many dying patients still insist Covid-19 'not real'

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Post by thsowers »

jdhn wrote: post #35

I feel like I've seen versions of this story pop up throughout the year, and it seems that others have too [0]. I guess I remain skeptical as to whether this actually happened until more proof can be provided. [0] https://twitter.com/annbauerwriter/status/132853834817300480...

Here is a similar story from a news source: https://www.npr.org/2020/11/12/934266487/icu-nurse-on-dealin...

Re: South Dakota nurse says many dying patients still insist Covid-19 'not real'

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Post by [deleted] »

pwinnski wrote: post #30
whalesalad wrote: post #12

My wife and I just moved from Orange County, CA to Detroit, MI this last August. We decided to drive the northern route. Heading through Vegas, Utah, Yellowstone and Montana. Then onward through the plains of North Dakota and Minnesota. Turning north we entered Wisconsin and finally the UP (Upper Peninsula) of Michigan. After a few days exploring we turned south to Detroit. In Vegas the concern for masks started to w…

I spent a weekend in Oklahoma last month (October 10-11), and was unable to enjoy myself because so few people were wearing masks, observing anything like distancing, etc. I saw a Carls Jr. employee wearing a corporate-supplied t-shirt that used "maskhole" to describe anyone not wearing a mask... and he was not wearing a mask, just like all the other employees. The hotel itself was the only place that seemed to be ta…

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Re: South Dakota nurse says many dying patients still insist Covid-19 'not real'

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Post by Claudus »

seankimdesign wrote: post #63
Claudus wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Out of curiosity, what is your basis for wearing a mask?

Here's a quote from Robert Redfield, the director of CDC. > We are not defenseless against COVID-19. Cloth face coverings are one of the most powerful weapons we have to slow and stop the spread of the virus -- particularly when used universally within a community setting. All Americans have a responsibility to protect themselves, their families, and their communities. I trust his expertise and judgment. What's the b…

I’d say the basis in the US is freedoms guaranteed by The Constitution, just like the basis for smoking, drinking, using recreational drugs, having an unhealthy diet, riding a motorcycle, not exercising regularly, etc.

Re: South Dakota nurse says many dying patients still insist Covid-19 'not real'

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Post by Diederich »

nappy-doo wrote: post #37
jimkleiber wrote: post #11

My friend works in the covid ICU here in Michigan and told me yesterday that she's seeing a dramatic increase in patients who are getting angry at her and still believing that covid is not real. When she asks where they may have caught it, they sometimes say at a wedding with 100 people where no one was wearing masks. I can't imagine how emotionally taxing it was to be a healthcare worker attending to people with cov…

I work on the mobile contact tracing effort (FAANG), and I am exhausted thinking about it as well, and I don't even risk my life everyday. Part of me wants to say, "fuck these idiots that don't wear masks, just die," but know that they will just get others sick on the way, and use up scarce resources.

This is a harsh thing to say, but I understand where you're coming from.

We....all of us, all human beings...need to be very patient and merciful with each other.

My wife and I know good, honest and smart people who are fully convinced that Covid19 isn't that dangerous, that it's a hoax, etc.

I'm not saying "smart" lightly.

All humans...even the best of us...are at our core deeply irrational most of the time. Different groups of us are irrational about different things.

Saying all of this, I do not mean to minimize the focused, concerted actions of a relative few who have taken advantage of not just human weakness but also the new communication technologies available to them.

We should reserve our ire for those who pull the strings of manipulation to the detriment of many.

Re: South Dakota nurse says many dying patients still insist Covid-19 'not real'

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Post by analyte123 »

Obviously, it isn't right to be rude to nurses but it probably also isn't right to sneer at people on their deathbed who don't want to accept that they're dying or really understand why, and blame them for their disease even though we have no idea how they got it.

I think some people dying in hospitals from COVID have a right to be mad at the medical system. Did these patients get any of the 5+ antiviral or immunomodulatory drugs with published successful RCTs? Did they get prophylactic antithrombotics? Did they get good advice on a healthy diet and medical care throughout their life? Probably not, and I don't think a judgmental tone towards them helps anything.

Re: South Dakota nurse says many dying patients still insist Covid-19 'not real'

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Post by oceanplexian »

Valgrim wrote: post #25
silverpepsi wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are there still people who believe it is just "a few eccentrics"? As someone who has a lot of them in my direct family, extended family, and even Facebook friends, my perception is that partisanship has reached a point where there is literal mass delusion out there far left and far right. And in the case of covid19, it feels like at least 10% don't fully believe in it (the level of doubt varying by individual and sit…

>there is literal mass delusion out there far left and far right. What delusion is the "far left" believing in, in your opinion?

The #1 delusion is reporting case numbers as a cause for concern instead of deaths and hospitalizations. The others are the inconsistent science behind government orders, like closing restaurants after 10PM, allowing patrons to go maskless when sitting at a table but not when standing, etc. The last would be lying by omission. Florida had 50% deaths per capita vs. NY but NY is lauded as a shining example of how to handle a pandemic.

Re: South Dakota nurse says many dying patients still insist Covid-19 'not real'

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Post by tzs »

analyte123 wrote: post #32
jasonlaramburu wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What a bad take. Disregard for covid precautions is the reason we have an outsized outbreak in the US. The outbreak in SD, despite the state’s low population density, will spread to other states.

The outbreak in the US is not particularly "outsized" compared to other developed countries: https://ig.ft.com/coronavirus-chart/?areas=usa&areas=fra&are...

I'd still say ours is outsized, because the US outbreak is essentially the same outbreak we had months ago. Those other countries are on their second or third outbreaks.

Their outbreaks reach higher peaks than ours, but only for a month or so, and then come down to a much lower level than ours, making our one outbreak worse than any of their outbreaks.

Re: South Dakota nurse says many dying patients still insist Covid-19 'not real'

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Post by cltby »

whalesalad wrote: post #12

My wife and I just moved from Orange County, CA to Detroit, MI this last August. We decided to drive the northern route. Heading through Vegas, Utah, Yellowstone and Montana. Then onward through the plains of North Dakota and Minnesota. Turning north we entered Wisconsin and finally the UP (Upper Peninsula) of Michigan. After a few days exploring we turned south to Detroit. In Vegas the concern for masks started to w…

Given that we're seeing the same spike in our big, coastal metro areas, perhaps the problem is more complicated than rural attitudes towards Covid.

[0] https://outbreak.info/epidemiology?location=METRO_42660%3BME...

Re: South Dakota nurse says many dying patients still insist Covid-19 'not real'

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Post by sam0x17 »

sam0x17 wrote: post #47
silverpepsi wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are there still people who believe it is just "a few eccentrics"? As someone who has a lot of them in my direct family, extended family, and even Facebook friends, my perception is that partisanship has reached a point where there is literal mass delusion out there far left and far right. And in the case of covid19, it feels like at least 10% don't fully believe in it (the level of doubt varying by individual and sit…

There is no "mass-delusion" on the far left. We are literally at a point where the current daily cases mean that a month from now we will be having around 3-4k deaths per day based on how many people are already infected NOW. That's a 9/11 terrorist attack per day in deaths. Anyone who doesn't acknowledge that is delusional.

Don't believe me, do the math yourself. Extrapolating from data on https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality we get:

U.S. mortality rate is 2.29%. Average daily cases for the past week have been hovering around 140k (https://covidtracking.com/data/charts/us-daily-positive).

140,000 * 0.0229 = 3,206 deaths per day. 9/11 was just 2,977 deaths (https://www.google.com/search?q=9%2F11+deaths)

So once the cases from the last few days progress further, we will have 3206/2977 = 1.07692307692 9/11s a day in deaths.

note: corrected above, should have said 3k not 9-10k. Misremembered my calculations from earlier this week. Analogy still accurate

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