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The Largest Gypsy Ghetto in Europe – Stolipinovo, Bulgaria (2016)

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Re: The Largest Gypsy Ghetto in Europe – Stolipinovo, Bulgaria (2016)

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Post by Gibbon1 »

de_Selby wrote: post #63
ithkuil wrote: post #49

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> Roma and the other gypsy peoples I thought gypsy was the exonym for the Roma(ni) people. Are there other "gypsy" peoples?

Travellers could also be considered gypsies. They are mainly in Ireland and England and are regarded similarly. Part of the problem is that a nomadic lifestyle just doesn't gel with modern society so they don't integrate at all. For the same reason it's hard for these people to find work and a subset do often turn to crime. Culturally they also have very conservative and often misogynistic views which acts as another…

> issues with Islamic migrants integrating into European society.

As an American this always baffles me.

Re: The Largest Gypsy Ghetto in Europe – Stolipinovo, Bulgaria (2016)

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Post by emteycz »

Causality1 wrote: post #41
EB-Barrington wrote: post #16

Post author here. Stolipinovo is one of several European Roma communities that I have visited over the years (several times now), and it's the largest that I'm aware of. The photos in the post are representative and true of how the area actually is, and I'm happy to answer any questions (forewarning, I'm not an expert). If I were to emphasize any one take-away - it's the friendliness I experienced from the locals. So…

You use the word "gypsy" a lot. The Roma I've met consider it very offensive, almost n-word level offensive. Is that not the case in Europe?

Here in Czechia many use the 'vulgar' variant (cikán) themselves. I wouldn't use it in my writing though.

Re: The Largest Gypsy Ghetto in Europe – Stolipinovo, Bulgaria (2016)

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Post by fs111 »

pmoriarty wrote: post #22
umvi wrote: post #2

I have quite a few European friends on social media and they always seem perplexed whenever racial tensions flare up in the USA. Some even have openly asked "why do Americans find it so hard not to be racist? It's not that hard." I always respond by pointing out that the citizens of almost every country are naturally xenophobic and/or racist, just not necessarily against people of African descent. In the case of Euro…

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Most people on the planet are not white, most societies are not white, yet there is plenty of racism in those too. Look at Asia: Han Chinese vs minorities like Uighurs. Ever heard of that? Do you follow the news about Myanmar at all? It is complete utter nonsense that racism is a white invention or has anything to do with being white. Take you white guild nonsense elsewhere.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism_in_Asia

Re: The Largest Gypsy Ghetto in Europe – Stolipinovo, Bulgaria (2016)

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Post by evgen »

StavrosK wrote: post #38
cblconfederate wrote: post #24

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> I feel like I can easier spot where a european is from That's because you have seen italians speaking and acting italian, romanians speaking romanian etc. Americans see americans speaking american

That's what my American friends say, but it's easy to tell, for example, Albanians and Greeks apart, or Englishpeople and Spaniards.

It is similar for a lot of Asian populations as well. I think it is mostly just due to how much exposure you have had to the various populations where you can notice the small differences that tend to make a group distinct. Most Americans do not interact with enough European sub-groups to distinguish between them, while most Europeans I have run into tend to lump east Asians into a single group while I can easily distinguish between London tourists who are Chinese, Korean, and Japanese just from having spent a couple of decades on the west coast of the US. When you are surrounded by different groups you tend to pick up on the subtle clues.

Re: The Largest Gypsy Ghetto in Europe – Stolipinovo, Bulgaria (2016)

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Post by StavrosK »

evgen wrote: post #75
StavrosK wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's what my American friends say, but it's easy to tell, for example, Albanians and Greeks apart, or Englishpeople and Spaniards.

It is similar for a lot of Asian populations as well. I think it is mostly just due to how much exposure you have had to the various populations where you can notice the small differences that tend to make a group distinct. Most Americans do not interact with enough European sub-groups to distinguish between them, while most Europeans I have run into tend to lump east Asians into a single group while I can easily dis…

Yes, exactly. I can usually distinguish between Japanese/Chinese/Korean just by realizing there are differences and noticing, but most other people just think "Asian" (or, even worse in my country, "Chinese").

Re: The Largest Gypsy Ghetto in Europe – Stolipinovo, Bulgaria (2016)

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Post by [deleted] »

Causality1 wrote: post #41
EB-Barrington wrote: post #16

Post author here. Stolipinovo is one of several European Roma communities that I have visited over the years (several times now), and it's the largest that I'm aware of. The photos in the post are representative and true of how the area actually is, and I'm happy to answer any questions (forewarning, I'm not an expert). If I were to emphasize any one take-away - it's the friendliness I experienced from the locals. So…

You use the word "gypsy" a lot. The Roma I've met consider it very offensive, almost n-word level offensive. Is that not the case in Europe?

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Re: The Largest Gypsy Ghetto in Europe – Stolipinovo, Bulgaria (2016)

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Post by malkia »

EB-Barrington wrote: post #16

Post author here. Stolipinovo is one of several European Roma communities that I have visited over the years (several times now), and it's the largest that I'm aware of. The photos in the post are representative and true of how the area actually is, and I'm happy to answer any questions (forewarning, I'm not an expert). If I were to emphasize any one take-away - it's the friendliness I experienced from the locals. So…

Thank you for your article. I now know more than about my country than before. We have similar ghetto in my home city Burgas, but due to my grand-father working in the area, and my mom too - never felt that much threatened.

Re: The Largest Gypsy Ghetto in Europe – Stolipinovo, Bulgaria (2016)

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Post by malkia »

emteycz wrote: post #73
Causality1 wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You use the word "gypsy" a lot. The Roma I've met consider it very offensive, almost n-word level offensive. Is that not the case in Europe?

Here in Czechia many use the 'vulgar' variant (cikán) themselves. I wouldn't use it in my writing though.

It's "циганин" (tsiganin, or ciganin) in Bulgaria. But this is now deemed offensive, hence roma.
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