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It's 2030. I own nothing, have no privacy, and life has never been better (2016)

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Re: It's 2030. I own nothing, have no privacy, and life has never been better (2016)

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Post by hahaiscjaaka »

syshum wrote: post #142
_28jh wrote: post #132

I've seen this article reach the front page many times and I laugh every single time. There's too many golden lines. > First communication became digitized and free to everyone. Then, when clean energy became free, things started to move quickly. > Transportation dropped dramatically in price. It made no sense for us to own cars anymore, because we could call a driverless vehicle or a flying car for longer journeys w…

>>I can't tell if it's written by a normal person, some buzzword-spouting AI, I hope the latter, because I can not image a normal person viewing any of those things as good... This view of the future right out of a dystopian horror

Written by a Scandinavian politician. People from Denmark, Norway, Sweden, Finland (idk about Iceland) are surprisingly ok with trusting institutions won’t harm you, and conformism is the norm.

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Post by eyeball »

game_the0ry wrote: post #215
eyeball wrote: post #214

It’s exceedingly creepy that so many powerful people buy into this creepy utopian crap. https://time.com/collection/great-reset/

It's because they see the changes coming and they want to control the direction of the narrative. The narrative: - Blame covid, not the bad policy that set the world in this direction (bc then the "elites" might be held accountable for their bad policy). Note that they were preparing for the downturn into 2030 back in as late as 2016 - the WEF "elites" have seen this coming for a while, and covid is an opportunity to…

Seems very true.

Even McKinsey is getting in on the act:

https://www.mckinsey.com/industries/public-and-social-sector...

https://www.mckinsey.com/business-functions/risk/our-insight...

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Post by fibbery »

syshum wrote: post #142
_28jh wrote: post #132

I've seen this article reach the front page many times and I laugh every single time. There's too many golden lines. > First communication became digitized and free to everyone. Then, when clean energy became free, things started to move quickly. > Transportation dropped dramatically in price. It made no sense for us to own cars anymore, because we could call a driverless vehicle or a flying car for longer journeys w…

>>I can't tell if it's written by a normal person, some buzzword-spouting AI, I hope the latter, because I can not image a normal person viewing any of those things as good... This view of the future right out of a dystopian horror

According to the footnote they don't view it as good or bad it's just a thought experiment.

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Post by georgesC »

_Microft wrote: post #27
baradhiren07 wrote: post #18

"I know that, somewhere, everything I do, think and dream of is recorded. I just hope that nobody will use it against me." -- This gave me a feeling that I am unable to put into words.

This is why Neuralink frightens the hell out of me. I feel that no matter how they are planning to protect their brain-computer-interfaces, they will eventually fail at it (like it happens with any sufficiently complex technology). Once that happens, any dictator, autocrat or the 'ethically-challenged tech bro du jour' will use them to gain unfettered access to the minds of people and wreak havoc on what makes people…

Just like today's "don't spread personal data on the internet and avoid forms", the future of that will be "don't use a brain-computer device/software that is not entirely open-source".

We're warned. Now what we have to do is to work on reducing the power of malicious individuals who would want to read our thoughts by force. That's a political/societal thing more than technical. Or is it? what if it was financially not worth it for anyone to do such things...

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Post by friendlybus »

motohagiography wrote: post #118

What the author describes is humans living in captivity. There is a cadre of people who argue, "really? you wouldn't survive a day outside this so-called captivity, tough guy" and then go on to justify how their various compromises are somehow moral. To me that whole line of argument is just indoors cats lecturing outdoors cats about how to manage the shame of dependency, which outdoors cats just don't have. If we do…

You cant limit the power of billionaire tech heads, its pointless to try. The trick is in making people en masse disengage with the metaphysical powers that drag everyone back to the tech head's heels.

Destroy the ontology, identity and neccesity of tech and you will have your material world back under the rule of a weapon, as it has been. Do you want that?

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Post by bassman9000 »

My living room is used for business meetings when I am not there.

BS

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ida_Auken

This article is rich coming from a bureaucrat with a guaranteed salary and pension[0]. It's infuriating having to endure these asinine articles with a blatant disregard for basic economy and its central tenet: resources are scarce. Everything's free in their fantasy land, and they never see how that could be abused. I guarantee you they won't be living like that.

[0]https://www.thedanishparliament.dk/en/members/remuneration-a...

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Post by koheripbal »

pmoriarty wrote: post #112
ryaniscool wrote: post #33

Personally, I think a future where AI can do most jobs is frightening. It will be run by a group of relatively few elites that are involved in power struggles for control of the AI and the rest of us that do stuff like pick fruit (assuming it's cheaper than having an AI do it) and serve as cannon fodder in the AI armies. I find people who believe that it will lead to some kind of Utopia horribly naive and they have n…

"the rest of us that do stuff like pick fruit (assuming it's cheaper than having an AI do it) and serve as cannon fodder in the AI armies." The lucky ones will be shining their shoes, giving them massages, tutoring their kids, cooking their meals, and giving them manicures. Many will prefer the human touch for things like that, even if they could be done by machines, and having human servants has always been a status…

Prostitution might be the last human occupation. ...poetics, I suppose, since it's often described as the first.

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Post by koheripbal »

SoSoRoCoCo wrote: post #126
ryaniscool wrote: post #33

Personally, I think a future where AI can do most jobs is frightening. It will be run by a group of relatively few elites that are involved in power struggles for control of the AI and the rest of us that do stuff like pick fruit (assuming it's cheaper than having an AI do it) and serve as cannon fodder in the AI armies. I find people who believe that it will lead to some kind of Utopia horribly naive and they have n…

(I'm using "you" not to mean "you personally", but both uto/dystopian AI futurists.) You have used technology right? You know it is all mostly shit that breaks down, crashes, and gets replaced and thrown out on an 18 month cycle? What I think lots of people get wrong is forgetting just how crappy consumer tech is, and industrial/military isn't far behind. We may get AI working well in 5-25 years, but I doubt deployme…

"AI" is such a vague term we forget that it encompasses both horribly stupid industry/task specific systems as well as grand artificial minds that might one say dwarf all of human intelligence combined.

For the first, you are right - certainly in that timescale. For the later, I assume we will need to justify our continued existence.

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Post by me_me_me »

TT3351 wrote: post #107
me_me_me wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

BNW world is designed to be pure meritocracy. It really does make you think about their world at the end. And its not really evil oppressive world like 1984. Its just purely mechanical construction that to us look like dystopia. I agree we are and are heading is technological aristocracy where tech is used to keep people in line. Divided over crazy theories, societal issues and squabbling over leftovers. Just give th…

Meritocracy set out from birth, no? Are not all people in that book test tube children with specific selected genomes? I fail to see how creating a class of genetic garbage men, relegated to working with trash for their entire lives is "meritocratic," since advocates of the meritocracy concept generally rely on the system's alleged mobility.

Meritocracy - government or the holding of power by people selected according to merit.

Every single person in that world IS selected for their role in society based on merit. There is no asterics attached there with +1 conditions.

I am not saying that it is a good system as a matter of fact I call it dystopian, only that everyone in it was rather content with their lives.

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