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It's 2030. I own nothing, have no privacy, and life has never been better (2016)

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Re: It's 2030. I own nothing, have no privacy, and life has never been better (2016)

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Post by cryptica »

tolbish wrote: post #73
cryptica wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Of course it's a scam. "You will own nothing and be happy". That is BS of the highest order. There will always be someone who owns and controls everything. It's just not going to be you. You will own nothing, you will be worthless. You won't even be able to have a girlfriend/boyfriend or friends for that matter; real human relationships are reserved for the elites. You will get as many VR friends as you want though.…

Will we at least get to rent out artificial affection from the OnlyPornFansHub sexbot of our choice?

Yes, you will be allowed to choose any artificial sexbot you want and as many as you like... So long as the sexbot is supplied by the official Facebook-approved provider and Facebook employees can watch and record your every interaction with the sexbots. It's for your own safety and to improve the service of course.

Re: It's 2030. I own nothing, have no privacy, and life has never been better (2016)

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Post by quicklime »

It’s 2020 and I don’t own a house or car, or even a bicycle. I rent all those things when I need them, and it really is great.

I also care about privacy. Yes, you have to hand over id to your landlord when you apply for a lease. But unless you can afford to buy your home with cash, you also have to do that to get a mortgage.

I hope my bike share program isn’t selling my trip data to other companies. I would like it if it worked more like public transport, where you can easily buy a ticket without id and use it anonymously.

There’s nothing inherent about renting that prevents privacy. You can buy cars that have gps trackers on them, which can be tracked by a company in the event of theft. Some cars, like the Nissan GT-R, use them to stop you driving too fast if you’re not at an approved race track.

I think regulation is the only way to protect privacy, regardless of whether people rent or own.

Re: It's 2030. I own nothing, have no privacy, and life has never been better (2016)

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Post by Cloudef »

joaomacp wrote: post #9
Cloudef wrote: post #4

It's not like young generations could afford to own anything anyways anymore.

Get a job!

I have a job and I get paid much better than average person here. However I still don't feel very wealthy, and there's lots of wealth imbalance in this country. The younger people are even more fucked. I'll probably be fine considering I earn more than average, but I'm seriously concerned with the trend however.

Sure we can own trivial things like laptops and what not, but that's not really something to secure your future with. Younger generations will be forever slaves and work to the grave, unless you happen to be born in fortunate family or get incredibly lucky.

Re: It's 2030. I own nothing, have no privacy, and life has never been better (2016)

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Post by mdpm »

Communities sharing resources, rather than nuclear families is a good idea. Much of the world lives like this already. Not every house on your street needs a lawnmower (or a lawn).

Lack of privacy however, is a lack of personhood. It will be eroded, and some aspects of it should change, nudity for example should be less abhorrent to all. But this seems like a thought experiment for the sake of argument, and I fear that arguments are all it will generate.

Re: It's 2030. I own nothing, have no privacy, and life has never been better (2016)

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Post by csomar »

kyrers wrote: post #12

I don't understand this. As said in other comments, I believe most people wouldn't want most of the things the author describes. If I want to cook at home and have to order everything, I assume it won't just be there in 5 minutes. And then what? If everything is shared does someone come pick it up when someone else needs it? Do I take it somewhere? Also, are people delivering these things? Or robots? And how can this…

There will be an "app" for that. You select the meal you want to cook and it sends you the ingredients and whatever appliances you need to cook that meal. Then show you step by step how to prepare the meal and you do it.

You do this once or twice a year. The rest of the time you just order regular, good old delivery to your home.

Re: It's 2030. I own nothing, have no privacy, and life has never been better (2016)

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Post by collyw »

aboringusername wrote: post #54
joaomacp wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Get a job!

Got a job at minimum wage. No future prospects, stuck in a rut, deadend boringness. Proceeds to kill self. At least toast was nice.

You must have seriously low ambitions if you can't move on from a minimum wage job.

Re: It's 2030. I own nothing, have no privacy, and life has never been better (2016)

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Post by vagrantJin »

For much of the world, which still needs a lot of work, posts like this are nothing short of well written fairytales.

Africa has been struggling with building roads for possibly millenia. Still struggling today. Will struggle for the next few centuries I gather[0]. And yet, if you live in a huge metro, the idea that something as ubiquitous as tar and paving would be cause for struggle is nothing short of absurd

India is one if the fastest growing developing countries and yet, close to 50% of people still burn biomass to meet their energy requirements[1]

[0]-https://www.un.org/africarenewal/magazine/september-2002/bui...

[1](https://earthjournalism.net/stories/millions-die-as-most-ind...)

Re: It's 2030. I own nothing, have no privacy, and life has never been better (2016)

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Post by kyrers »

ragnese wrote: post #53
kyrers wrote: post #12

I don't understand this. As said in other comments, I believe most people wouldn't want most of the things the author describes. If I want to cook at home and have to order everything, I assume it won't just be there in 5 minutes. And then what? If everything is shared does someone come pick it up when someone else needs it? Do I take it somewhere? Also, are people delivering these things? Or robots? And how can this…

The article is definitely not the "best" version of this vision of the future I've read... Not that I'm advocating for this future in any way, but I assume that a more realistic version of this (especially for as near as 2030) is that many people still have jobs that have an actual schedule. Maybe we can be optimistic and dream that people get to work less than 40 hours a week to have a reasonable quality of life. Bu…

I'm not even taking into consideration de 2030 part.

But yeah, I generally agree with you. Especially in this:

> But the idea of "I own nothing" cannot conceivable extend to personal items like clothing. That doesn't make any sense ... maybe you wouldn't own tools that are too expensive/specialized to be almost-free.

Re: It's 2030. I own nothing, have no privacy, and life has never been better (2016)

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Post by hamilyon2 »

Sharing is okay if ultimate owner is one single customer and it rents /reverse rents it to every other customer. Therefore, he has a say in how it is used and how much, at what price etc.

Sharing is fine as long as ownership is not gone.

Re: It's 2030. I own nothing, have no privacy, and life has never been better (2016)

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Post by me_me_me »

cryptica wrote: post #75
ragnese wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I like the Brave New World approach to distopia. It's kind of hard to argue with the world as presented because the people in it are happy/content, it seems sustainable, safe, etc. Yet, as a present-day reader with a present-day moral lens, it seems horrific and unjust.

I'm starting to think that Brave New World is looking better than where we're actually headed. In BNW, the Alpha and Beta classes are chosen based on objectively desirable characteristics. Where we're heading, our top castes will comprise mostly of people who are manipulative, short-term thinkers, vengeful, insecure, arrogant and psychopathic. Not great for society.

BNW world is designed to be pure meritocracy.

It really does make you think about their world at the end. And its not really evil oppressive world like 1984. Its just purely mechanical construction that to us look like dystopia.

I agree we are and are heading is technological aristocracy where tech is used to keep people in line. Divided over crazy theories, societal issues and squabbling over leftovers.

Just give them youtube and they come up with the 'hidden truths' and then they fight with secret kabals and 'morons' who don't see the signs.

Meanwhile amazons googles and other industries are literally squeezing all small business out of existence.

Do you think an Amazon Town could be created where all you shopping has to be done via amazon but you get 20 or 50% off. How far are we from that reality?

What I would disagree with is that the people who push this system forward are far from short-term thinkers, vengeful, insecure. They schemed this system up long time ago and look for every angle to push it ahead.

How quickly 9/11 from tragedy was turned into patriot act opportunity?

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