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Re: Introducing the next generation of Mac

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Post by pampa »

coldtea wrote: post #784
slumdev wrote: post #705

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You're getting downvoted because "hyper-optimizing" isn't going to let me run another VM or launch another instance of Xcode.

95% percent of laptop users wont run VMs or Xcode, so there's that...

MacBooks and PowerBooks before them where about that 5% of power users who fell in love with their tools and preached to all their friends and family to get one too.

Now that apple has the remaining 95%, it is letting their power users down. But that is only natural, establishing a beachhead with the powerusers was "just" a genious marketing move that worked pretty well.

Re: Introducing the next generation of Mac

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Post by MrBuddyCasino »

kabacha wrote: post #683
justin66 wrote: post #457

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Perhaps this pricing was brought about by the same head injury that caused someone in management to believe 8GB is an adequate base spec for RAM in 2020.

I really don't get it. How much difference could 8 to 16gb be in terms of price? Is Apple really doing this to save 20$ per machine? Even if you somehow could argue that 8 is all you need now, what about in few years? No one should ever buy this device.

> How much difference could 8 to 16gb be in terms of price?

The RAM is embedded into the SoC. Maybe the 8GB are salvaged chips where half of the memory is unusable?

Re: Introducing the next generation of Mac

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Post by ben-schaaf »

ajharrison wrote: post #631
justin66 wrote: post #457

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Perhaps this pricing was brought about by the same head injury that caused someone in management to believe 8GB is an adequate base spec for RAM in 2020.

Seriously though what’s the connection between it being 2020 and there being more default RAM? Are you suggesting that in the year 2030 we should expect 100gb of RAM? The goal shouldn’t be to increase ageing technology but to replace it with something better.

> Are you suggesting that in the year 2030 we should expect 100gb of RAM?

100GB sounds like paltry for 10 years of technological advancement. In 2010 DDR4 didn't exist yet and DDR3 only supported up to 16GB per ram stick (8 on Intel at the time). Now we have ram sticks with capacities up to 256GB. The 2010 MacBook Pro only came with 4GB! But really "640K ought to be enough for anybody", am I right?

Re: Introducing the next generation of Mac

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Post by skavi »

wukerplank wrote: post #802
BatteryMountain wrote: post #794

How are companies still releasing hardware with 8GB RAM? My MacBook Air from ~2016 has 8GB of RAM. My first PC which had 8GB of RAM was built in ~2010 if I remember correctly. My current machine has 32GB. In all honesty, 32GB is not even much, considering my motherboard can take 128GB (in the old days, if your motherboard could take max 8GB RAM, people would fill all the slots to capacity). Also, I have a Lenovo mach…

On paper the new Macs seem like Raspberry Pis with a fancy case and display.

There’s a fairly significant performance difference between Apple’s new cores and the Pi 4’s A72s.

If you ignore that and the high-end display, touchpad, and keyboard, then I suppose it’s not too far off from a Pi in a fancy case, but then you could say the same for any laptop.

Re: Introducing the next generation of Mac

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Post by rusticpenn »

gideon_b wrote: post #827
BatteryMountain wrote: post #794

How are companies still releasing hardware with 8GB RAM? My MacBook Air from ~2016 has 8GB of RAM. My first PC which had 8GB of RAM was built in ~2010 if I remember correctly. My current machine has 32GB. In all honesty, 32GB is not even much, considering my motherboard can take 128GB (in the old days, if your motherboard could take max 8GB RAM, people would fill all the slots to capacity). Also, I have a Lenovo mach…

Battery life is easier to market than an acronym that sounds like it's either related to trucks or sheep. RAM eats battery. Apple has made a strategic decision to pretend RAM doesn't exist, ship underpowered hardware, then brag about the battery life. This is also the reason RAM is not listed on iPhone specs. If I remember correctly the iPhone Pro 12 Max has twice as much RAM as the other 12 models and it's nowhere i…

The performance of the phones seem to be smooth compared to Android phones with similar ( or more) RAM. The difference comes from vertical optimization, so the raw numbers on RAM would not give us a full picture.

Re: Introducing the next generation of Mac

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Post by physicsguy »

BatteryMountain wrote: post #794

How are companies still releasing hardware with 8GB RAM? My MacBook Air from ~2016 has 8GB of RAM. My first PC which had 8GB of RAM was built in ~2010 if I remember correctly. My current machine has 32GB. In all honesty, 32GB is not even much, considering my motherboard can take 128GB (in the old days, if your motherboard could take max 8GB RAM, people would fill all the slots to capacity). Also, I have a Lenovo mach…

My MBP from 2013 has 8gb RAM and I considered that an essential upgrade at the time!

Re: Introducing the next generation of Mac

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Post by wraptile »

sudosysgen wrote: post #712
kabacha wrote: post #683

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I really don't get it. How much difference could 8 to 16gb be in terms of price? Is Apple really doing this to save 20$ per machine? Even if you somehow could argue that 8 is all you need now, what about in few years? No one should ever buy this device.

They aren't doing it to save 20$ per machine, they are doing it to make the higher price of a 16GB machine seem more reasonable than if it was the base model.

This is pretty much the reason why I'll never will buy apple devices again. Recently I bought iphone 11 for my girlfriend as a present and the price difference between 64GB model (which honestly might as well be a dead brick in this data age) and 256GB model was around 30% in my country which is beyond absurd.

You can call me bitter but this sort of manipulation is making me extremely salty to the point where I'll be having seething hate for the company for the rest of my life.

Re: Introducing the next generation of Mac

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Post by barrenko »

oblib wrote: post #805
wukerplank wrote: post #802

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On paper the new Macs seem like Raspberry Pis with a fancy case and display.

I was thinking the same thing. I have new Pi and it's pretty close performance wise to my old Mac Mini which is still a fine desktop PC.

Seriously considering getting a Pi for Christmas (8gb) as my current laptop is slowly dying, and just do python on it and return to a simpler life.

Re: Introducing the next generation of Mac

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Post by mattacular »

BatteryMountain wrote: post #794

How are companies still releasing hardware with 8GB RAM? My MacBook Air from ~2016 has 8GB of RAM. My first PC which had 8GB of RAM was built in ~2010 if I remember correctly. My current machine has 32GB. In all honesty, 32GB is not even much, considering my motherboard can take 128GB (in the old days, if your motherboard could take max 8GB RAM, people would fill all the slots to capacity). Also, I have a Lenovo mach…

Apple is in the business of making money not pushing the industry towards benefiting users.
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