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Re: Introducing the next generation of Mac

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Post by nautical »

BatteryMountain wrote: post #794

How are companies still releasing hardware with 8GB RAM? My MacBook Air from ~2016 has 8GB of RAM. My first PC which had 8GB of RAM was built in ~2010 if I remember correctly. My current machine has 32GB. In all honesty, 32GB is not even much, considering my motherboard can take 128GB (in the old days, if your motherboard could take max 8GB RAM, people would fill all the slots to capacity). Also, I have a Lenovo mach…

And this is not only about 2020, most likely people will use the machine till 2025. ( Also consider the fact that Apple solders the RAM to motherboard. )

Re: Introducing the next generation of Mac

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Post by wukerplank »

BatteryMountain wrote: post #794

How are companies still releasing hardware with 8GB RAM? My MacBook Air from ~2016 has 8GB of RAM. My first PC which had 8GB of RAM was built in ~2010 if I remember correctly. My current machine has 32GB. In all honesty, 32GB is not even much, considering my motherboard can take 128GB (in the old days, if your motherboard could take max 8GB RAM, people would fill all the slots to capacity). Also, I have a Lenovo mach…

On paper the new Macs seem like Raspberry Pis with a fancy case and display.

Re: Introducing the next generation of Mac

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Post by oblib »

jjtheblunt wrote: post #743
oblib wrote: post #726

When I was a kid I worked with my father building custom cars. We customized a car for the guy who owned a famous brand of liquor. He had a vanity license plate on one of his cars that said something like "3 Stars" on it and I asked him what that stood for. He said it was less expensive brand of the liquor he sold and then he went on to say "it's the same as the expensive stuff and if you tell anyone that they'll cal…

Maybe some people buy more expensive Apple products after dependability problems with competitor products. (Happened to me with a brand new Sony Vaio and a Dell, for example.)

Well, I've bought new Apple computers for over 20 years now and for the first 10 I had to replace them after a couple years because I couldn't run newer software on them but they were pretty much junk by the end of those few years.

The late `09 Mac Mini I'm still using has been a real workhorse though. I upgraded the Ram and Hard Drive about 5 years ago and it's still very capable for what I do. To be fair, the DVD drive died after just a couple years on it though and I didn't really use it much.

But I don't use Photoshop or almost any Apple software anymore (outside of the OS). I write code and I don't need much horsepower for that.

Re: Introducing the next generation of Mac

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Post by jgimenez »

BatteryMountain wrote: post #794

How are companies still releasing hardware with 8GB RAM? My MacBook Air from ~2016 has 8GB of RAM. My first PC which had 8GB of RAM was built in ~2010 if I remember correctly. My current machine has 32GB. In all honesty, 32GB is not even much, considering my motherboard can take 128GB (in the old days, if your motherboard could take max 8GB RAM, people would fill all the slots to capacity). Also, I have a Lenovo mach…

Not only the base spec is 8GB but the largest possible upgrade is 16GB. My previous-generation Macbook Pro had the possibility of 32GB, which is what I bought because I think that's a decent minimum for a computer I want to last.

Re: Introducing the next generation of Mac

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Post by oblib »

wukerplank wrote: post #802
BatteryMountain wrote: post #794

How are companies still releasing hardware with 8GB RAM? My MacBook Air from ~2016 has 8GB of RAM. My first PC which had 8GB of RAM was built in ~2010 if I remember correctly. My current machine has 32GB. In all honesty, 32GB is not even much, considering my motherboard can take 128GB (in the old days, if your motherboard could take max 8GB RAM, people would fill all the slots to capacity). Also, I have a Lenovo mach…

On paper the new Macs seem like Raspberry Pis with a fancy case and display.

I was thinking the same thing. I have new Pi and it's pretty close performance wise to my old Mac Mini which is still a fine desktop PC.

Re: Introducing the next generation of Mac

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Post by marcolussetti »

mixmastamyk wrote: post #741
o-__-o wrote: post #575

Earlier quoted context omitted.

BRB gonna fire up Netscape on my brand new MacBook Air

Netscape?! That's for the kids, we used NCSA Mosaic and liked it. I suspect lynx is still around in some form.

Lynx is definitely still around. Useful for a quick "can I actually get to this site" sanity checks on servers.

Re: Introducing the next generation of Mac

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Post by helsinkiandrew »

BatteryMountain wrote: post #794

How are companies still releasing hardware with 8GB RAM? My MacBook Air from ~2016 has 8GB of RAM. My first PC which had 8GB of RAM was built in ~2010 if I remember correctly. My current machine has 32GB. In all honesty, 32GB is not even much, considering my motherboard can take 128GB (in the old days, if your motherboard could take max 8GB RAM, people would fill all the slots to capacity). Also, I have a Lenovo mach…

The vast majority of laptops in the $999 range are bought by people that only need "devices that only my mother would use"

Re: Introducing the next generation of Mac

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Post by marcolussetti »

andromeduck wrote: post #615
ralph87 wrote: post #539

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The emphasis here being on the word "should". I wouldn't buy just yet until some third party has published a sustained load/heat test. Apple have sucked at this for quite some years now, it's folly to touch a MacBook for anything remotely compute-intensive

Only when you compare apples to oranges, but this is an apples to apples comparison. Same underlying silicon, almost identical configuration, different chassis. It's impossible for the Pro not to outperform the Air when the only substantial difference for performance is TDP and we have zero reason to believe that heat-pipe + fan would be outperform by passive cooling of all things.

Agreed, the Pro's cooling should be better. However, I think it's worth waiting and seeing. There might not be that big of a difference in the end (e.g. both are uncharacteristically well designed and run fine; or conversely both are so badly thermally throttled that no serious intensive tasks can be performed) in which case other factors could end up being more significant.

Re: Introducing the next generation of Mac

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Post by winrid »

helsinkiandrew wrote: post #807
BatteryMountain wrote: post #794

How are companies still releasing hardware with 8GB RAM? My MacBook Air from ~2016 has 8GB of RAM. My first PC which had 8GB of RAM was built in ~2010 if I remember correctly. My current machine has 32GB. In all honesty, 32GB is not even much, considering my motherboard can take 128GB (in the old days, if your motherboard could take max 8GB RAM, people would fill all the slots to capacity). Also, I have a Lenovo mach…

The vast majority of laptops in the $999 range are bought by people that only need "devices that only my mother would use"

A bit out of touch I think. All the midde age mothers I know personally buy $300 laptops from Walmart.

Re: Introducing the next generation of Mac

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Post by isoprophlex »

TechBro8615 wrote: post #354

Straw poll: I need a new development machine, price is not an object but it has to be a Mac. Should I buy this new M1 or go with the Intel 16 inch MBP? My gut says there’s going to be a year or two of cross-compilation nightmares. I do a lot of Docker-based development. Wondering what everyone else thinks?

Get a macbook air and use docker on a remote linux box?

At work we use a big ass linux vm to connect to (running docker, etc.). Saves a lot of battery power, and no macos-docker shenanigans.

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