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About iSH’s pending removal from the App Store

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Re: About iSH’s pending removal from the App Store

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Ok. I want to run iSh by installing it from the developer's signed build. That's what I want to do. Can I do that?

Yes - jailbreak the phone.

I was going to make a reddit-like crack about "please sir can I have some more gruel" but dang asked me to keep it clean so I'll respond a bit more high brow by mentioning that I think you don't realize how that's not actually a solution.

Re: About iSH’s pending removal from the App Store

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I’m an iOS user and a kindle user. Having to go to another place to purchase kindle books doesn’t bother me. But it is mostly about how often I do it. If I was purchasing books every hour it would really bother me. But I only purchase books once a month or less. So it’s not a big deal for me.

I am KOReader user on rooted Kobo and LineageOS Android. I can read many file formats without the fear that books will stop working [1] one day. [1] https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-48829661

I never read a book more than once. Life is short and there are too many books to get through.

Re: About iSH’s pending removal from the App Store

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No. You just need to not buy an Apple product. Apple is a friend of people who want a curated store. There are other options for those who don’t.

> people who want a curated store This is a straw man. Support allowing users to add alternate stores on iOS devices. Having one choice is not freedom. And it has nothing to do with curration. If Apple's model is superior, then their app store will win against fair competition .

I disagree that this is a straw man. Apple has been consistent for _years_ on this issue -- they clearly believe that choosing the Apple ecosystem is synonymous with choosing to only be able to run code that has been reviewed (theoretically) by the app store team. If it quacks like a duck and looks like a duck then it is a duck.

Re: About iSH’s pending removal from the App Store

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Apple doesn’t impact anyone who doesn’t choose to be impacted. Nobody is forced to interact with them, either as a customer or a supplier.

I've got a video streaming service. What the hell else am I going to do? I don't want to deal with Apple and their draconian rules. They translate to "you're small peanuts not worth our time" or "you're not paying us enough". Apple does not deserve to control all economic activity reaching 50% of Americans. Only the government gets to do that. Last I checked, Tim Cook is not in the Treasury department. This is the co…

Apple doesn’t control ‘all economic activity reaching 50% of Americans’.

You might change your view if you had correct facts. This is wrong on two counts. Firstly the amount of economic activity through the App Store is a tiny fraction of what you claim, and secondly Apple doesn’t control it because there are alternatives.

There are many avenues for delivering your streaming service.

You can deliver it via the desktop.

You can deliver it via the web.

You can sell cheap streaming boxes based on raspberry pi grade hardware.

You can create a storefront on Android.

You can deliver individual titles as apps through the App Store store.

There are plenty of options.

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Apple has multiple regional data centers, if they’re all wiped out it probably means the collapse of civilization anyway. So another implausible scenario. Just saying “you don’t control your device” doesn’t make it true, and regardless: the limitations have been a known quantity for a long time, and most people are fine with them. Apple’s secure, locked-down device experience is so popular that we’re complaining abou…

Why do you keep saying "secure" and "locked-down" like they go together, when the opposite is true?

I'm sorry, I honestly didn't know that opening up iDevices to run arbitrary, unsigned code would be a security win. Can you elaborate on that?

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> The people who argue that Apple should be forced to allow third party stores are only interested in the potential commercial gain they could make if they had access to Apple’s customers. > They just want access to the customers so they can make money out of them. > That is all this argument is about and all it has ever been about. And this is not an accurate representation of reality. I have zero professional or fi…

You can do anything you want to with your own phone. The law allows you to hack on it in any way you like. What you are saying is that you don’t have the capacity to make the phone do what you want. You want Apple to do that work, and you want the government to force them to do it for you. That is not the same thing. You didn’t have to buy it if it didn’t do what you wanted. Are you claiming you didn’t know it was lo…

No. The work has already been done for all those things I want, I just can't utilize any of it. I don't want Apple to do anything other than allow me to install apps outside of the App Store and without the bullshit 7-day restriction on sideloading.

I know what I bought and iPhones are still the best option for my use case despite the limitations. Just because I decided to purchase an iPhone from the limited options (Android or nothing), doesn't mean I have to be head-over-heels in love with it and I can still be unhappy with certain aspects of it. I can still desire improvements to what I consider the best available option.

You can continue to try to do mental gymnastics and twist the contexts here, but you're bending over backwards to let Apple bend you over.

What's even more frustratingly absurd is that you think that you can "hack" your iPhone without going through Apple. The only way to do that is purchasing a Mac for around $1k and to get over the previously mentioned bullshit 7-day restriction is a $99/yr developer account.

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> I’m suggesting that consumers should buy a product that that suits their needs. It's cute you think this is why people buy things. Also, you're completely missing the point here. Developers have no choice but to developer for Apple and that means that whatever Apple says, Apple gets. That's called bullying, at the very least, and I'm not alone in asserting that it extends into behavior that should at least be regul…

> Developers have no choice but to developer for Apple and that means that whatever Apple says, Apple gets. Developers absolutely have a choice. They have one choice if they want access to Apple's customers .

I think it's widely recognized that Sophie's Choice is not a choice.

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Android keyboards also lack Esc. The key in that place implements the go to home functionality (Android's middle button.) My use case is the now deprecated / defunct Linux container in Samsung's Dex. I didn't find a way to configure the keyboard and X11 to map it to an Esc for Linux. I've been using Control [, which is a little pain.

Check out "Hacker's Keyboard"

I mean a hardware keyboard, usually bluetooth but USB would do.

Re: About iSH’s pending removal from the App Store

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This isn’t sustainable. Software developers can’t build on a foundation that is constantly, capriciously shifting. This on top of the App Store's already-onerous restrictions and the fact that it’s the only practical way to get your software on one of the world's largest computing platforms has already engendered a deep antipathy [1] among Apple developers, and there are no signs it’s getting better. Something has to…

I believe it is sustainable if you're willing to burn through disposable 3rd party developers. From my experience, it always follow the same path. Some promising developer gets infatuated with Apple's supposed ease of use and looks at the shiny aggregate numbers like $155 billion paid out to developers. Said developer jumps through all the hoops and builds a great app. Users love it, but since competition in the app…

I wish my city had a western-themed "hair saloon"! Curlers at dawn.

Re: About iSH’s pending removal from the App Store

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Yes - jailbreak the phone.

I was going to make a reddit-like crack about "please sir can I have some more gruel" but dang asked me to keep it clean so I'll respond a bit more high brow by mentioning that I think you don't realize how that's not actually a solution.

I do realize it doesn’t give you what you want - which is an iPhone customized to your desires and Apple mandated to provide customer service and support for those customizations.

But it does resolve the question of what you have a right to do with your phone, which is in fact anything you like.

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