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About iSH’s pending removal from the App Store

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Re: About iSH’s pending removal from the App Store

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Don’t build software for Apple devices. It’s a pretty straightforward solution. Apple has shown time and again that they’ll crush your project/business in an instant without recourse or a second thought. Nothing on the App Store, regardless of whether it complies with Apple’s policies currently or not, has any guarantee it won’t be disappeared tomorrow for non-compliance when the wind blows in a different direction (…

Did those parental control apps actually work?

I wasn’t aware iOS actually provided enough low level access for 3rd parties to develop anything like that.

Re: About iSH’s pending removal from the App Store

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Google lets banks remotely disable phones [0]: 114 points in 11 hours

Google lets apps prevent users from taking screenshots [1]: 315 points in 14 hours

Devs on HN shrug it off when an app screws over users, but they take to pitchforks when an app is removed.

There's also a heavy bias in favor of Google and against Apple on HN, but Apple does nothing nearly as hostile to users, and so millions of people will continue to happily give their money to Apple.

Only user-hostile developers fail to understand this and clamor for Apple's restrictions to be weakened so they can prey more freely upon users.

[0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25026050

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25025066

Re: About iSH’s pending removal from the App Store

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That is disingenuous, at best. Apple takes a large percentage on purchases through the phone, so Amazon doesn't allow the purchase through it. It's not an arbitrary decision on their end.

My understanding is that Amazon also takes their chunk of flesh from book publishers/authors. Honest question then: how is that different? You can publish a book but if you aren’t on Amazon you drastically limit your exposure to potential readers.

Amazon doesn't block customers from buying books from elsewhere and reading them on Amazon devices. It's fiddlier than buying through the integrated Amazon store, but it's a fully supported way of using your Amazon device.

I'm not aware of them blocking sellers from listing books on Amazon and also at a lower price elsewhere (though it wouldn't surprise me if they did), and they certainly don't block sellers from telling their customers how much Amazon's cut is.

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Is Apple really expecting developers to port their tools to the arm macs with their iOS policies (that I’m sure they are salivating to establish for macOS). Good luck to them and their iOS developer minions.

Why wouldn’t they?

Macs and iOS devices are for completely different purposes.

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Stop defending Apple and their shitty behavior. > unapproved software > unapproved software > unapproved software > unapproved software How is it 2020 and we're okay with this phrase? What the hell happened? Apple is an enemy of computing and the DOJ needs to break them up.

No. You just need to not buy an Apple product. Apple is a friend of people who want a curated store. There are other options for those who don’t.

> You just need to not buy an Apple product.

Consumer behavior won't change Apple. We need the strong arm of the DOJ to tell Apple not to do this.

> Apple is a friend

Apple is not a friend of anybody. They're a for-profit company.

Re: About iSH’s pending removal from the App Store

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Grabbing my popcorn to watch as the apple sympathizing crowd comes up with more excuses

I'd still like a good explanation why I can't do what I want with my phone. You don't want do to that? Good, don't. Make it so that I can, if I have to tick a box somewhere hidden in Apple's labyrinthine and undiscoverable Settings app. Of course, we already know the answer why I can't do what I want with my phone, because it isn't my phone, is it, Apple continues to think of it as theirs and they simply grudgingly r…

You can do what you want with your phone.

You have a legal right to jailbreak it and hack on it in any way you like.

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post #235

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Stop defending Apple and their shitty behavior. > unapproved software > unapproved software > unapproved software > unapproved software How is it 2020 and we're okay with this phrase? What the hell happened? Apple is an enemy of computing and the DOJ needs to break them up.

No. You just need to not buy an Apple product. Apple is a friend of people who want a curated store. There are other options for those who don’t.

> people who want a curated store

This is a straw man.

Support allowing users to add alternate stores on iOS devices.

Having one choice is not freedom. And it has nothing to do with curration. If Apple's model is superior, then their app store will win against fair competition.

Re: About iSH’s pending removal from the App Store

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Switch where? Google's walled garden sucks too, even if slightly less right now. You can't fight a duopoly as if it's a competitive market.

The alternatives are GNU/Linux phones (PinePhone, Librem 5) and companies respecting users, see: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24866279

I really hope these eventually succeed but that's not a given. The existing app stores moat is very strong.

Average people would never think to use these independent Linux phones the way they are today, and it's not a given that the situation will noticeably improve in 5-10-15 years.

I want good options available to everyone, not just a subset of the typical desktop-Linux audience.

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post #235

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No. You just need to not buy an Apple product. Apple is a friend of people who want a curated store. There are other options for those who don’t.

> people who want a curated store This is a straw man. Support allowing users to add alternate stores on iOS devices. Having one choice is not freedom. And it has nothing to do with curration. If Apple's model is superior, then their app store will win against fair competition .

It’s not a straw man.

I don’t want my non-technical family members being persuaded to install other stores.

It is absolutely a feature, and a beneficial one at that, which many people want.

As for Apple allowing people to install other stores - why should they? Why not just buy an Android phone if you want that feature.

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