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Re: About iSH’s pending removal from the App Store

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Post by kaba0 »

zepto wrote: post #340
echelon wrote: post #288

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> Do you own an Apple device? Yes. > Have you ever lived in a communist dictatorship or even visited one? Yes. I spent a year studying Chinese in Shanghai. My partner is from Vietnam. What's your point? I stand behind my analogy. Apple is a horrible company and is ruining our industry.

Why do you own an Apple device?

Not op, but hardware and UX-wise they do a great job. Photo-taking is especially good which is pretty important on a mobile. Also, their phones will be supported for a remarkable number of years, while retaining their price on second hand markets.

It doesn’t excuse them from letting me use my phone as I want to.

Re: About iSH’s pending removal from the App Store

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Post by ratww »

kaba0 wrote: post #398
ratww wrote: post #266

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> Apple impacts businesses, consumers, engineers - multiple industries - with their bad behavior Unfortunately the alternative is letting businesses and engineers impact the life of their own customers negatively. Developers had way too much power to screw up users for years, and they did: spying and tracking behind our backs. Mandatory rootkits [1]. Piracy Protection and DRM that did way more than advertised and cau…

The AppStore has every right to publish only apps they deem rightfull - so there would be absolutely no change there. Yet, apple should not be able to disallow me from using my device in any way I want to - that is I should be able to sideload anything, make it an alternative app store or a simple app. They are even free to hide that option from regular users so the security of them won’t be harmed - they can’t insta…

> Yet, apple should not be able to disallow me from using my device in any way I want to

And my point is that random application developers should not disallow me from using my device in any way I want to, nor they should be allowed to make my device work against my interests.

So far, as a user, for the last 25 years, Apple has not disallowed me as much as random developers have, and in fact Apple has fought that fight on my behalf.

What Apple is doing by limiting developers powers is 100% in my interest since I don't care about developers that are hostile to me.

I 100% agree that I should be able to run what I want, but the other side of the story matters too. Maybe there's a technical solution? Maybe if everything was open source? Maybe better sandbox/firewalls?

Re: About iSH’s pending removal from the App Store

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Post by swiley »

crazygringo wrote: post #293
echelon wrote: post #223

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Stop defending Apple and their shitty behavior. > unapproved software > unapproved software > unapproved software > unapproved software How is it 2020 and we're okay with this phrase? What the hell happened? Apple is an enemy of computing and the DOJ needs to break them up.

Why did you quote that 4 times? We're OK with the phrase because the alternative was people's phones being infested with malware and viruses. It's pretty obvious that's what happened. Apple built a phone you can let your whole family use without worries. Why are you confused by this? If computing is your goal, then an iPhone is obviously not the device for you. Fortunately for you, there are tons of other platforms f…

There's still malware on the app store, Apple only removes things that look like malware. They don't instrument the code during reviews.

The security of the iPhone comes entirely from the sandbox and not app curation.

Re: About iSH’s pending removal from the App Store

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Post by kaba0 »

ratww wrote: post #402
kaba0 wrote: post #398

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The AppStore has every right to publish only apps they deem rightfull - so there would be absolutely no change there. Yet, apple should not be able to disallow me from using my device in any way I want to - that is I should be able to sideload anything, make it an alternative app store or a simple app. They are even free to hide that option from regular users so the security of them won’t be harmed - they can’t insta…

> Yet, apple should not be able to disallow me from using my device in any way I want to And my point is that random application developers should not disallow me from using my device in any way I want to, nor they should be allowed to make my device work against my interests. So far, as a user, for the last 25 years, Apple has not disallowed me as much as random developers have, and in fact Apple has fought that fig…

I don’t see how allowing sideloading wouldn’t be a solution for both sides.

Re: About iSH’s pending removal from the App Store

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Post by ansible »

dahfizz wrote: post #38
nextos wrote: post #12

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It's sad. I'm a Linux diehard, but during the pandemic I considered buying an iPad to SSH into my office workstation, browse the web, etc. as I got stuck in an awkward accommodation. Hardware is great, but the keyboard lacks a dedicated ESC, and I was quite uncomfortable with the fact that terminal apps seem like second rate citizens / not well liked by Apple. IMHO, there's a lot of untapped potential in the iPad as…

Did you consider a chromebook? I've been thinking about getting a chromebook as an ssh terminal for a while.

A chromebook can be an excellent SSH terminal. Cheap, light, and a decent keyboard. You can install a Linux container, and inside that, run ssh-agent, so you load up your keys just once.

The one major annoyance is the lack of a caps-lock key, which is replaced by the "do-anything" Google search button. So you have to press that and right-alt to turn on and off caps-lock.

Since they are standard across all chromebooks, I've come to appreciate the dedicated navigation keys, volume, brightness and screen lock. I use those a lot more than I have on a regular laptop that mixes those with the Fn keys.

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Post by userbinator »

imglorp wrote: post #396
inapis wrote: post #353

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https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23273247 This has driven me insane in 10.15.7. If my ISP has intermittent connectivity, macOS starts beach balling. To prevent this I have to shut off internet. The catch? Shutting down the network requires suffering through multiple beach balls. Every single mouse click or key press invokes a beach ball. Everything goes away the moment internet is connected.

That's the story. It's funny because the Mac was introduced with a 1984 theme about PC as a uniform experience controlled by central authority and here we are.

Epic Games had some fun mocking that: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WqTNO8LTggI

Re: About iSH’s pending removal from the App Store

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Post by smolder »

young_unixer wrote: post #121
threeseed wrote: post #44

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iOS developers have made over a half a trillion dollars over the last decade on this unsustainable, constantly shifting foundation that they hate so much. Makes you wonder why they bother ? Maybe it's because the very rules you say developers hate are the ones users find appealing.

Most software developers in HN are not in it only for the money. Software is an essential part of our modern life: transport, communication, manufacture, finance, etc. depend on software. At least in those areas, we need reliable software and we need device owners to have control over their devices. We need to have a good software infrastructure if we want to progress as a species. The current software landscape is b…

That last point is a big problem. When we require people to have smart phones then there is no more privacy from government surveillance. Their authority becomes more absolute, and any fear of populist upheaval is gone.

Re: About iSH’s pending removal from the App Store

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Post by smolder »

gverrilla wrote: post #335
young_unixer wrote: post #121

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Most software developers in HN are not in it only for the money. Software is an essential part of our modern life: transport, communication, manufacture, finance, etc. depend on software. At least in those areas, we need reliable software and we need device owners to have control over their devices. We need to have a good software infrastructure if we want to progress as a species. The current software landscape is b…

why do you think game consoles are not essential to our society?

They don't do anything essential. You could replace them with jigsaw puzzles and we'd be fine and likely better off in many ways, because that's less addictive and less resource intensive, too. We just wouldn't have as much fun.

Re: About iSH’s pending removal from the App Store

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Post by ubermonkey »

userbinator wrote: post #158

Apple clearly does not want you to have a general-purpose computer: https://boingboing.net/2012/01/10/lockdown.html Everything is done with "security" as an excuse because it's hard to argue against[1], but I think people are slowly starting to see through that. Apple wants to control every aspect of your life, and if you let it, it will. I wonder whether those who work at Apple and are responsible for doing such thi…

Weird. I keep buying general-purpose computers from them on the regular. They're called "Macs".
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