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About iSH’s pending removal from the App Store

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Re: About iSH’s pending removal from the App Store

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Stop defending Apple and their shitty behavior. > unapproved software > unapproved software > unapproved software > unapproved software How is it 2020 and we're okay with this phrase? What the hell happened? Apple is an enemy of computing and the DOJ needs to break them up.

Why did you quote that 4 times? We're OK with the phrase because the alternative was people's phones being infested with malware and viruses. It's pretty obvious that's what happened. Apple built a phone you can let your whole family use without worries. Why are you confused by this? If computing is your goal, then an iPhone is obviously not the device for you. Fortunately for you, there are tons of other platforms f…

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Re: About iSH’s pending removal from the App Store

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If a comet hits CA tomorrow and the company collapses, do you think I would still be able to "control" my device? What about patching it up or installing a new system? People who buy iOS devices don't control them. Full stop.

Apple has multiple regional data centers, if they’re all wiped out it probably means the collapse of civilization anyway. So another implausible scenario. Just saying “you don’t control your device” doesn’t make it true, and regardless: the limitations have been a known quantity for a long time, and most people are fine with them. Apple’s secure, locked-down device experience is so popular that we’re complaining abou…

Why do you keep saying "secure" and "locked-down" like they go together, when the opposite is true?

Re: About iSH’s pending removal from the App Store

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I will say it again. The one thing Apple will try to defend is the concept of an app/container. I wrote a similar comment supporting their actions with video game streaming platforms the other day[1]. Any app that creates some kind of a wedge into another kind of app/container ecosystem is not going to fly. I do believe this will get solved by having a store within a store model. It just means all the packages/apps t…

Unless you are China/WeChat

Re: About iSH’s pending removal from the App Store

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iOS developers have made over a half a trillion dollars over the last decade on this unsustainable, constantly shifting foundation that they hate so much. Makes you wonder why they bother ? Maybe it's because the very rules you say developers hate are the ones users find appealing.

Most software developers in HN are not in it only for the money. Software is an essential part of our modern life: transport, communication, manufacture, finance, etc. depend on software. At least in those areas, we need reliable software and we need device owners to have control over their devices. We need to have a good software infrastructure if we want to progress as a species. The current software landscape is b…

why do you think game consoles are not essential to our society?

Re: About iSH’s pending removal from the App Store

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Give it a few more years. They're working on it. They've already done Gatekeeper, SIP, removal of kexts, making the root partition read-only every boot even if you turn off SIP, etc.

What was that little storm a few months back where they turned on code signature checking on shell scripts? One could just imagine the final step is you have to have a developer license to run your own code.

Source? Can't find a HN submission regarding this, and the most I found via Google is this question on the Apple developer forums https://developer.apple.com/forums/thread/127709.

Re: About iSH’s pending removal from the App Store

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> Precompiled builds of iSH (distributed as IPA files) will remain available [...] for jailbroken users. Is there any reason to use iSH over the native system shell when jailbroken?

iSH runs Alpine Linux which might be easier to get precompiled packages for given the popularity of it in the Docker ecosystem - using the actual system terminal requires a lot more setup and precompiled binaries might be hard to find for arm64 (or you might end up compiling a bunch of stuff you need, if it's even compatible). But the precompiled IPA file is usable outside of jailbreaks since there are programs[0,1] which sign and install an IPA for non-jailbroken devices.

0: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25030348

1: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25028786

Re: About iSH’s pending removal from the App Store

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post #269

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Genuinely curious. How does this improve security?

It doesn't. It only improves Apple's control.

Apple's insistence is probably because they don't want to let other developers [even Google] near JIT, which is the only way to make a super performant browser (although a sandboxed browser's speed would probably be acceptable on modern hardware).

Re: About iSH’s pending removal from the App Store

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No, the fundamental error you are making is you, the developer , are incorrectly assuming, that I, the user , cares about whether Apple lets you make money or do whatever they want on my device. Even the way the worded your response you are making a plea as a developer to a user " hey take your app own to the gallows and kill it. ". I don't have an app. What I do understand is; given the last 20 years of computing is…

I don't care what you think, honestly. (And don't misjudge my tone here - I mean this in the friendliest way.) I care about the fact that the US government has let this gorilla grow into King Kong and start throwing us into walls and trampling on our industry. If this trend continues, the giants will swallow us completely. Our industry has always been special, and the barriers have historically been low. Now that App…

It’s your choice whether you operate within the walls Apple has put up.

Why do you remain within them?

Re: About iSH’s pending removal from the App Store

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Do you own an Apple device? Have you ever lived in a communist dictatorship or even visited one? I have

> Do you own an Apple device? Yes. > Have you ever lived in a communist dictatorship or even visited one? Yes. I spent a year studying Chinese in Shanghai. My partner is from Vietnam. What's your point? I stand behind my analogy. Apple is a horrible company and is ruining our industry.

Why do you own an Apple device?
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