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Re: Netflix Targets Critical ‘Cuties’ Tweets with Copyright Takedown Requests

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Post by EricE »

qgrgergfqgfev wrote: post #86
Karunamon wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I had it explained to me thusly: Action movies have a lot of murders. Nobody actually died. Mystery movies have a lot of liars. Nobody was actually deceived. Cuties has a lot of child sexualization. Children were actually sexualized. What we're quibbling over now is if the message of the film justifies it - and my answer would be no, there is no message conceivable that would do so.

Watch the movie, make your own opinion.

So the only way I can know if murder is bad is to try it?

"You might like child sexualization - try it!"

Oof.

Re: Netflix Targets Critical ‘Cuties’ Tweets with Copyright Takedown Requests

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Post by EricE »

AlphaOne1 wrote: post #47
etc-hosts wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

correct, the documentary isn't about watching kids twerk for a few hours. it's really about how our culture, amplified by the internet, makes kids believe think twerking at 11 is a good idea, but the kids eventually reject it, and go back to being kids. You don't get this context if you watch just the first few minutes of it, or shouty media commentary about it.

Part of the controversy was the poster that was released for the marketing. People (I think rightfully) thought it was inappropriate. Personally, I thought it was problematic that this poster was not rejected by anyone at Netflix prior to release. The fact that Netflix backtracked on the poster seems to indicate that they realized the mistake they had made. Again, this mistake should never have happened in the first…

You realize the poster was a scene from the movie.

I don't know why people are acting like they amped it up only for the poster. Well, if all you paid attention to was Netflix's lame excuse you could certainly get that impression since they did everything they could to imply that was the case.

Except that's not what happened. They profiled a scene - one scene! If anything there are far more crazy/disgusting scenes in the movie than just that one.

The poster is a red herring. The problem is the movie and it's content. Always has been, still is.

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Post by identity0 »

hhas01 wrote: post #94
identity0 wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, wanting to denounce sexualization does not require showing over-sexualisation. It especially doesn't require the film maker doing it herself to these poor actresses. It doesn't matter how "subtle" it is, the movie is part of the problem. It's like making a movie denouncing puppy murders and then the entire movie is just the director shooting puppies. "But don't you get it? How can our movie be bad if it's denounc…

Donnie Darko did it years earlier, flaying the same culture for the same reasons. And guess whose culture it was that got flayed? Yup.

I've never seen that movie so I can't guess. Would you tell me?

Re: Netflix Targets Critical ‘Cuties’ Tweets with Copyright Takedown Requests

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Post by hhas01 »

axaxs wrote: post #57
etc-hosts wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

correct, the documentary isn't about watching kids twerk for a few hours. it's really about how our culture, amplified by the internet, makes kids believe think twerking at 11 is a good idea, but the kids eventually reject it, and go back to being kids. You don't get this context if you watch just the first few minutes of it, or shouty media commentary about it.

One thing my friends and I agreed on here is that many of the scenes at face value wouldn't be so bad if not for the camerawork. Fine, show kids dancing in a normal shot. Instead, they chose to deliberately zoom in on their private areas, even out-of-place doing so, which pushed it into creepy territory, regardless how the creator intended it.

“private areas”

Really? Were they unclothed? If not, perhaps there’s a different message here that you may have missed?

Go watch “Henry: Portrait of a Serial Killer”, which I believe you’ll find on Netflix too. You’ll totally cheer along when they murder the fat man, who completely deserved it BTW. Though if you’re still cheering when they watch the home video they made of themselves murdering that entire family, then you may have missed the point of that film too.

Good film is a mirror on real life. And if real life doesn’t make your skin crawl, it’s either because you haven’t realized you’re a participant in it too… or because you actually enjoy it.

Re: Netflix Targets Critical ‘Cuties’ Tweets with Copyright Takedown Requests

#105

Post by identity0 »

hhas01 wrote: post #97
_28jh wrote: post #88

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I'm all for religion if it means we can't show sexualized children on TV.

Yup, keep them all in the sacristy where they belong; neither seen nor heard. #Spotlight #Boston #Conservative #Hypocrisy

Huh? I never said anything supporting organized religion and I'm not sure how this is relevant. You do realize society can choose an ideological system that doesn't include pedophelia, right? It's not one or the other.

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Post by EricE »

qgrgergfqgfev wrote: post #84

It's pretty sad to read French and American reviews side by side, there is really something about America and taboo topics (can't show nipples on tv, can't swear on tv, etc.), perhaps due to religion?

So outside of America it's ok to have sex with children?

Is that really where you are going with you "sick burn"?

Re: Netflix Targets Critical ‘Cuties’ Tweets with Copyright Takedown Requests

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Post by EricE »

qgrgergfqgfev wrote: post #85
tyingq wrote: post #22

The plot apparently centers around a bunch of 11 year old girls entering a twerking contest.

Watch the movie, make your own opinion.

So the only way I can know if murder is bad is to try it?

"You might like child sexualization - try it!" Oof.

Re: Netflix Targets Critical ‘Cuties’ Tweets with Copyright Takedown Requests

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Post by jandrese »

saurik wrote: post #5
judge2020 wrote: post #3

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Unfortunately the only way to be "sure" (it's obvious fair use) is to go to court over it unless Twitter wants to be liable for these users' content by not honoring these takedowns.

And the punishment to Netflix once you win in court is just damages (good luck showing any actual serious large damages here) and legal costs... there should be a massive fine and a loss of DMCA Section 512 expedited takedown privileges if you use it incorrectly.

> loss of DMCA Section 512 expedited takedown privileges if you use it incorrectly

Not gonna happen. It would cut copyright bots off at the knees since they're currently designed to err on the side of false positives over false negatives and that's the way the media cartels want it.

You would have to break the RIAA and MPAA's hold over Congress first, and good luck with that. You can't vote them out because they own both sides. We're talking about multiple multi billion dollar companies here, when they go to congress with demands they get it. That's how we got the DMCA and ludicrous 120 copyright terms in the first place.

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Post by EricE »

vmception wrote: post #23
cutitout wrote: post #18

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The show is criticized for being essential erotic material for pedophiles, filled with up close shots of bums and panties of children. The American poster comes closer to that, but is still tame compared to the actual content, which is what this is about. > And it's worked, in a sense: It wouldn't be on the front page of HN otherwise. Compared to other stories, this one is already being penalized, and the top comment…

I don’t really buy the controversy I found that movie to be the lamest and most cringeworthy material and couldn’t watch more than 2 minutes of some of the clips The people complaining about it seem to have their own discomfort that they project onto a phantom pedophile Has anyone noticed that? Actual pedophiles have plenty of actual explicit material from that age group and the older teenagers that could still land…

There is nothing sophisticated in "pushing boundaries" to make a point - it's sophistry to justify child pron, plain and simple.

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Post by skitout »

identity0 wrote: post #87
skitout wrote: post #76

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The director said she did want to denounce over-sexualisation of young girls with this movie. I (and 2 of my friends, feminist women) think she managed to do it, with a relatively good and a relatively subtle movie. Talking about over-sexualisation of young girls require to show stuff linked to... over-sexualisation of young girls, to show some aspect of reality... But if you find this movie erotic, well the problem…

No, wanting to denounce sexualization does not require showing over-sexualisation. It especially doesn't require the film maker doing it herself to these poor actresses. It doesn't matter how "subtle" it is, the movie is part of the problem. It's like making a movie denouncing puppy murders and then the entire movie is just the director shooting puppies. "But don't you get it? How can our movie be bad if it's denounc…

Requiring or not requiring showing stuff does not make things bad or wrong... What you show or not show, the way you show it just make a different movie.

If you make a good movie denouncing dog mistreatment, that is good. The fact it may sexually excite some people mistreating dogs is not really relevant... Those fetishist should see a doctor for being excite by this, and can find plenty of other exciting material on internet.

If the movie was targeting those sick people, or was using this displaced erotic tension in mistreating puppies, of course that would be wrong, because it fuels and use this "sickness"... Here this definitely not the case

And I hope we won't ban gymnastic competitions, or forbid skin-tight pre-teen jeans cause it may excite pedophiles...

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