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Re: Netflix Targets Critical ‘Cuties’ Tweets with Copyright Takedown Requests

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Post by vmception »

yaypolitics wrote: post #28
vmception wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t really buy the controversy I found that movie to be the lamest and most cringeworthy material and couldn’t watch more than 2 minutes of some of the clips The people complaining about it seem to have their own discomfort that they project onto a phantom pedophile Has anyone noticed that? Actual pedophiles have plenty of actual explicit material from that age group and the older teenagers that could still land…

> The people complaining about it seem to have their own discomfort that they project onto a phantom pedophile Ah yes, the old “people who have a problem with pedophilia are the real pedophiles”

Stranger things have happened

Everyone could just ignore the movie because it’s not that interesting

Re: Netflix Targets Critical ‘Cuties’ Tweets with Copyright Takedown Requests

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Post by kevin_thibedeau »

saurik wrote: post #5
judge2020 wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unfortunately the only way to be "sure" (it's obvious fair use) is to go to court over it unless Twitter wants to be liable for these users' content by not honoring these takedowns.

And the punishment to Netflix once you win in court is just damages (good luck showing any actual serious large damages here) and legal costs... there should be a massive fine and a loss of DMCA Section 512 expedited takedown privileges if you use it incorrectly.

Declare your billable rate in the counternotice as $1000/hr and use that as a basis for compensatory damages.

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Post by emilfihlman »

michaelt wrote: post #9

The changes between the French and American posters for 'Cuties' [1] seem like a pretty obvious attempt to manufacture controversy under the "no such thing as bad publicity" approach to marketing. And it's worked, in a sense: It wouldn't be on the front page of HN otherwise. If Netflix have got more controversy than they intended to, this seems like a pretty clear case of play stupid games, win stupid prizes. [1] htt…

This is downplaying the content.

Here's a good video on the matter: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exCNHEGnZ5M

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Post by bpodgursky »

pavlov wrote: post #27
bobthechef wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Controversy or a move to normalize the sexualization of children? Some claim the latter. Generally speaking, film is a powerful medium through which things are normalized. Think of the shows and film that helped normalize homosexuality or promiscuity and shaped attitudes toward sex and sexuality (often through humor; levity is a powerful tool). They worked. There doesn't need to be a conspiracy to make this happen, j…

During the Hollywood Code years of 1934-68, American movie productions were strictly regulated on moral grounds to ensure they don't present positive views of homosexuality or promiscuity. Look at how well that worked. Anyway, that's irrelevant here because the French movie in question is fundamentally critical of the existing normalization of sexualization of children. A lot of fault must be put on Netflix for jacki…

> Look at how well that worked.

That's a pretty thoughtless view. Maybe it did work, and it delayed gay marriage for two decades. Maybe it did work, and marriage rates would be 10% without a top-down media campaign, instead of the 50% it is today.

Clearly it didn't WIN completely, but that argument's like saying "Well we've banned murder, and look at how well that worked!"... it's really hard to find natural experiments to test a thesis that these initiatives work or not.

Re: Netflix Targets Critical ‘Cuties’ Tweets with Copyright Takedown Requests

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Post by Wowfunhappy »

saurik wrote: post #5
judge2020 wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unfortunately the only way to be "sure" (it's obvious fair use) is to go to court over it unless Twitter wants to be liable for these users' content by not honoring these takedowns.

And the punishment to Netflix once you win in court is just damages (good luck showing any actual serious large damages here) and legal costs... there should be a massive fine and a loss of DMCA Section 512 expedited takedown privileges if you use it incorrectly.

> and a loss of DMCA Section 512 expedited takedown privileges if you use it incorrectly.

This alone feels like it could solve so many problems.

Re: Netflix Targets Critical ‘Cuties’ Tweets with Copyright Takedown Requests

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Post by etc-hosts »

fennecfoxen wrote: post #29
tyingq wrote: post #22

The plot apparently centers around a bunch of 11 year old girls entering a twerking contest.

And -- from what I gather from the coverage -- becoming disillusioned with the whole premise once the thrill of rebellion against parents is gone.

correct, the documentary isn't about watching kids twerk for a few hours.

it's really about how our culture, amplified by the internet, makes kids believe think twerking at 11 is a good idea, but the kids eventually reject it, and go back to being kids.

You don't get this context if you watch just the first few minutes of it, or shouty media commentary about it.

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Post by bluGill »

User23 wrote: post #12
verroq wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Punitive damages is a thing.

Juries don’t like awarding them. The cases you hear about are newsworthy precisely because it’s so unusual.

If there were many of them either the supreme court or congress will likely limit them. That isn't to say either of the above think they are wrong so much as it is easy to see how they can be abused.

Re: Netflix Targets Critical ‘Cuties’ Tweets with Copyright Takedown Requests

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Post by emiliobumachar »

bhaak wrote: post #7

> Finally, as we hinted at before, even if Netflix is legally allowed to remove the Cuties trailers and clips from Twitter, that doesn’t make it right. It seems that the people who were targeted have a clear fair use defense. What is it now? Either Netflix is legally allowed to act like this or the twitter users are legally allowed under fair use. It can't be both right, can it? > “Is a clear violation of our First A…

> Either Netflix is legally allowed to act like this or the twitter users are legally allowed under fair use.

They did say "even if". I don't think they claimed Netflix is in their rights.

> The First Amendment deals with the government, not private companies.

Copyright law as well as other forms of intellectual property are entirely government creations. The First Amendment does apply.

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Post by mrits »

etc-hosts wrote: post #36
fennecfoxen wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And -- from what I gather from the coverage -- becoming disillusioned with the whole premise once the thrill of rebellion against parents is gone.

correct, the documentary isn't about watching kids twerk for a few hours. it's really about how our culture, amplified by the internet, makes kids believe think twerking at 11 is a good idea, but the kids eventually reject it, and go back to being kids. You don't get this context if you watch just the first few minutes of it, or shouty media commentary about it.

I'm not sure how the plot to any porn is really relevant to if it is porn or not.

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Post by [deleted] »

cutitout wrote: post #18
michaelt wrote: post #9

The changes between the French and American posters for 'Cuties' [1] seem like a pretty obvious attempt to manufacture controversy under the "no such thing as bad publicity" approach to marketing. And it's worked, in a sense: It wouldn't be on the front page of HN otherwise. If Netflix have got more controversy than they intended to, this seems like a pretty clear case of play stupid games, win stupid prizes. [1] htt…

The show is criticized for being essential erotic material for pedophiles, filled with up close shots of bums and panties of children. The American poster comes closer to that, but is still tame compared to the actual content, which is what this is about. > And it's worked, in a sense: It wouldn't be on the front page of HN otherwise. Compared to other stories, this one is already being penalized, and the top comment…

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