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Re: Netflix Targets Critical ‘Cuties’ Tweets with Copyright Takedown Requests

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Post by bobthechef »

michaelt wrote: post #9

The changes between the French and American posters for 'Cuties' [1] seem like a pretty obvious attempt to manufacture controversy under the "no such thing as bad publicity" approach to marketing. And it's worked, in a sense: It wouldn't be on the front page of HN otherwise. If Netflix have got more controversy than they intended to, this seems like a pretty clear case of play stupid games, win stupid prizes. [1] htt…

Controversy or a move to normalize the sexualization of children? Some claim the latter.

Generally speaking, film is a powerful medium through which things are normalized. Think of the shows and film that helped normalize homosexuality or promiscuity and shaped attitudes toward sex and sexuality (often through humor; levity is a powerful tool). They worked. There doesn't need to be a conspiracy to make this happen, just a cultural trajectory. The backing of powerful and moneyed industry figures helps grease the wheels and deliver the same message very cheaply to millions, or billions, of people. The education system also plays a role, of course.

It's just a shame that people aren't aware of how their attitudes are shaped by their environment, for good or for ill. Things we grow up with are merely taken for granted.

Re: Netflix Targets Critical ‘Cuties’ Tweets with Copyright Takedown Requests

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Post by vmception »

cutitout wrote: post #18
michaelt wrote: post #9

The changes between the French and American posters for 'Cuties' [1] seem like a pretty obvious attempt to manufacture controversy under the "no such thing as bad publicity" approach to marketing. And it's worked, in a sense: It wouldn't be on the front page of HN otherwise. If Netflix have got more controversy than they intended to, this seems like a pretty clear case of play stupid games, win stupid prizes. [1] htt…

The show is criticized for being essential erotic material for pedophiles, filled with up close shots of bums and panties of children. The American poster comes closer to that, but is still tame compared to the actual content, which is what this is about. > And it's worked, in a sense: It wouldn't be on the front page of HN otherwise. Compared to other stories, this one is already being penalized, and the top comment…

I don’t really buy the controversy

I found that movie to be the lamest and most cringeworthy material and couldn’t watch more than 2 minutes of some of the clips

The people complaining about it seem to have their own discomfort that they project onto a phantom pedophile

Has anyone noticed that?

Actual pedophiles have plenty of actual explicit material from that age group and the older teenagers that could still land them in hot water but plenty more under they can just lust over, so what do actual pedophiles think?

All I see are men on twitter doing a scene by scene breakdown of fairly benign but cringeworthy material of a dance scene that really is like that in the real world, is this really insight into what phantom pedophiles are turned on by? Is it the overprotective brother or father hoping for a different world? Or are these people having their own internal struggle with lust? Does it matter?

I don’t think this movie crosses any community standards, it is just annoying child actors in an annoying plot because its just not that good, like it needs the controversy in order to be viewed

Re: Netflix Targets Critical ‘Cuties’ Tweets with Copyright Takedown Requests

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Post by ravenstine »

vmception wrote: post #23
cutitout wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The show is criticized for being essential erotic material for pedophiles, filled with up close shots of bums and panties of children. The American poster comes closer to that, but is still tame compared to the actual content, which is what this is about. > And it's worked, in a sense: It wouldn't be on the front page of HN otherwise. Compared to other stories, this one is already being penalized, and the top comment…

I don’t really buy the controversy I found that movie to be the lamest and most cringeworthy material and couldn’t watch more than 2 minutes of some of the clips The people complaining about it seem to have their own discomfort that they project onto a phantom pedophile Has anyone noticed that? Actual pedophiles have plenty of actual explicit material from that age group and the older teenagers that could still land…

I don't know anyone who is concerned with pedophiles getting off on the film. Almost all the arguments I've heard against it are based on potential exploitation of the child actors and people generally being uncomfortable with overt sexualization of children.

Re: Netflix Targets Critical ‘Cuties’ Tweets with Copyright Takedown Requests

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Post by cutitout »

vmception wrote: post #23
cutitout wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The show is criticized for being essential erotic material for pedophiles, filled with up close shots of bums and panties of children. The American poster comes closer to that, but is still tame compared to the actual content, which is what this is about. > And it's worked, in a sense: It wouldn't be on the front page of HN otherwise. Compared to other stories, this one is already being penalized, and the top comment…

I don’t really buy the controversy I found that movie to be the lamest and most cringeworthy material and couldn’t watch more than 2 minutes of some of the clips The people complaining about it seem to have their own discomfort that they project onto a phantom pedophile Has anyone noticed that? Actual pedophiles have plenty of actual explicit material from that age group and the older teenagers that could still land…

> The people complaining about it seem to have their own discomfort that they project onto a phantom pedophile

> Has anyone noticed that?

How can I "notice" something you're just claiming, based on nothing, that doesn't even make sense on top of that? I'm not projecting my own discomfort at sexualized depiction of underage girls on a phantom pedophile, since I would assume such a pedophile wouldn't feel discomfort, but arousal.

> I don’t think this movie crosses any community standards

And if anyone disagrees, you speculate a bit, then say it doesn't even matter.. yet think your assessment matters. These aren't "community standards", these are yours. The suppression of how "the community" actually reacts speaks volumes in and of itself.

> like it needs the controversy in order to be viewed

I don't need anything for any Netflix stuff to be viewed. I simply call things as I see them.

edit: and for the "men on Twitter" thing (as if there's not plenty men calling this a profound something or other), here's shoe0nhead's take: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GvFyhqSE51A

Re: Netflix Targets Critical ‘Cuties’ Tweets with Copyright Takedown Requests

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Post by pavlov »

bobthechef wrote: post #21
michaelt wrote: post #9

The changes between the French and American posters for 'Cuties' [1] seem like a pretty obvious attempt to manufacture controversy under the "no such thing as bad publicity" approach to marketing. And it's worked, in a sense: It wouldn't be on the front page of HN otherwise. If Netflix have got more controversy than they intended to, this seems like a pretty clear case of play stupid games, win stupid prizes. [1] htt…

Controversy or a move to normalize the sexualization of children? Some claim the latter. Generally speaking, film is a powerful medium through which things are normalized. Think of the shows and film that helped normalize homosexuality or promiscuity and shaped attitudes toward sex and sexuality (often through humor; levity is a powerful tool). They worked. There doesn't need to be a conspiracy to make this happen, j…

During the Hollywood Code years of 1934-68, American movie productions were strictly regulated on moral grounds to ensure they don't present positive views of homosexuality or promiscuity. Look at how well that worked.

Anyway, that's irrelevant here because the French movie in question is fundamentally critical of the existing normalization of sexualization of children. A lot of fault must be put on Netflix for jacking up the controversy in their US marketing.

Re: Netflix Targets Critical ‘Cuties’ Tweets with Copyright Takedown Requests

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Post by yaypolitics »

vmception wrote: post #23
cutitout wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The show is criticized for being essential erotic material for pedophiles, filled with up close shots of bums and panties of children. The American poster comes closer to that, but is still tame compared to the actual content, which is what this is about. > And it's worked, in a sense: It wouldn't be on the front page of HN otherwise. Compared to other stories, this one is already being penalized, and the top comment…

I don’t really buy the controversy I found that movie to be the lamest and most cringeworthy material and couldn’t watch more than 2 minutes of some of the clips The people complaining about it seem to have their own discomfort that they project onto a phantom pedophile Has anyone noticed that? Actual pedophiles have plenty of actual explicit material from that age group and the older teenagers that could still land…

> The people complaining about it seem to have their own discomfort that they project onto a phantom pedophile

Ah yes, the old “people who have a problem with pedophilia are the real pedophiles”

Re: Netflix Targets Critical ‘Cuties’ Tweets with Copyright Takedown Requests

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Post by fennecfoxen »

tyingq wrote: post #22

The plot apparently centers around a bunch of 11 year old girls entering a twerking contest.

And -- from what I gather from the coverage -- becoming disillusioned with the whole premise once the thrill of rebellion against parents is gone.

Re: Netflix Targets Critical ‘Cuties’ Tweets with Copyright Takedown Requests

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Post by jedimastert »

blendergeek wrote: post #2

> Legally the company is allowed to do this of course, as they own the rights. Isn't this textbook fair use? Nothing about these clips being shared on Twitter replaces the viewing experience of Cuties. The tweets are definitely transformative and provide a critique of the film. Doesn't copyright law explicitly permit this use of copyrighted works?

A DMCA being wrongfully given doesn't put Twitter on the hook for following the takedown. Twitter decides whether or not it's worth the legal costs of ignoring a DMCA. Even if the issuer is very clearly in the wrong, it still costs money to do anything about it in court
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