DahliaOS operating system, combining the best of GNU/Linux and Fuchsia OS

Post by jamesgeck0 » Tue, Nov 03, 2020, 8:35 PM UTC

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Flutter on the web is more complicated than just a canvas element. The project has a fair amount of effort put into a11y on mobile; I’d be really surprised if the web output isn’t also accessible.

Picking the first demo on https://gallery.flutter.dev : https://gallery.flutter.dev/#/reply It seems like it renders text via a SVG on top of a canvas layer that is the background, so that's a plus for a11y. As for the downsides, and I'm not sure how much this is due to flutter or the app itself: * I can't use the browser search for elements outside the viewport * I can't select text at all * I can't tab through elem…

Post by PaulDavisThe1st » Tue, Nov 03, 2020, 8:54 PM UTC

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Component architecture is everywhere on the desktops, just not on those using UNIX text terminals. COM has been the underlying driving technology of Windows since Vista, where the Windows team took the Longhorn .NET ideas and redid them with COM, since then we got COM improved as WinRT/UWP. Which despite the common mix with the store (blame marketing teams), is what to this day most Windows 10 APIs make use of, and n…

> XFCE, GNOME and KDE make heavy use of DBUS. Only for IPC. There is no IPC within a typical glib app. GObject keeps working flawlessly, but it is too arcane to newcomers (which are already few because of C itself becoming an arcane art these days)

Post by franga2000 » Tue, Nov 03, 2020, 9:15 PM UTC

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It also seems to combine the worst of both platforms: Apps. Is there any OSDEV work that goes towards a more integrated, component-based architecture? As sad as it seems, Unix tools & pipes seems to be the most successful and enduring attempt in that direction. Systems doing that on a language basis seem mostly dead (Lisps, Smalltalks, Oberons), component architecture isn't doing much (OpenDoc as the prime example, C…

What if unix style pipes included a MIME type. Thus you might have some type safety, or ability to understand multiple types of input. Example: if one tool outputs JSON, another tool, like grep, would recognize that is a subtype TEXT, and be able to process it. Example: a more sophisticated hypothetical grep tool, would recognize that it might grep JSON differently than it greps TEXT. Example: Tool 1 exporting JPEG m…

Post by matt_kantor » Tue, Nov 03, 2020, 9:35 PM UTC

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I opened the link. The only thing spoken to my screen reader was "enable accessibility". I pressed the button (it didn't accept space bar, but only enter) and it just announced an empty page. I can't speak to the qualities of the os, but hopefully this won't be the entire a11y experience both on the website and on the os itself if both use flutter.

Yeah, sorry about the performance. We kinda put that together as an impromptu web demo, like the old ubuntu tour. Flutter for the web is super sucky right now, and lacks a lot of things like accessibility and normal text interaction because it is backed by a canvas element. Ideally as Flutter matures we will be able to improve both the performance and accessibility aspect of it.

Post by baybal2 » Tue, Nov 03, 2020, 10:12 PM UTC

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> XFCE, GNOME and KDE make heavy use of DBUS. Only for IPC. There is no IPC within a typical glib app. GObject keeps working flawlessly, but it is too arcane to newcomers (which are already few because of C itself becoming an arcane art these days)

Why would any typical app have IPC within it?